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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on March 18

Sexual Healing (South Park)

• ... that the South Park episode "Sexual Healing" parodied the recent sex scandal surrounding golf pro Tiger Woods, and satirized the media attention it generated? 5x expanded by Hunter Kahn (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 15:50, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Dome F105

• ... that the Dome F105 Formula One car completed more than 900 kilometres (560 mi) of private testing, yet was never entered in a Grand Prix? Created by Midgrid (talk). Self nom at 15:47, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Gandan Sumtseling Monastery

• ... that the Fifth Dalai Lama established the Gandan Sumtseling Monastery (pictured) in Zhongdian, Yunnan in China in 1679, which is a fusion of the Tibetan and Han Chinese architecture? 5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Nvvchar (talk) at 10:20, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• - I checked the bit about the fifth dalai lama so

... that the Fifth Dalai Lama established the Gandan Sumtseling Monastery (pictured) in Zhongdian, Yunnan in China in 1679? Victuallers (talk) 12:07, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Minet el-Beida

• ... that it was the chance discovery, in 1928, by a local farmer in Minet el-Beida that led to the excavation of ancient Ugarit (pictured) in Syria? Created by Zozo2kx (talk). Self nom at 09:38, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• - Thanks, is it possible to find more about the place that isn't archaeology? e.g. a photo of a modernish bit, or some scenery? Victuallers (talk) 11:58, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for verifying. I added a photo of the walls of Ugarit. I am afraid the site itself (Minet el-Beida) has little distinguishable ruins anymore, and certainly nothing modern as its a protect area. I will expand a little more on the history of the site and significance of the findings there, and try to find a scenic photo of the bay. Yazan (talk) 16:08, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Utility room

• ... that the Chicago Tribune reported that the laundry room was then referred to as the utility room in a September 30, 1970 publication? 5x expanded by TitanOne (talk). Self nom at 05:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• This is problematic. This is a paid-access citation but I would expect it to be an article about utility rooms becoming more popular than laundry rooms, not about language change as the Wikipedia article seems to claim. Utility rooms (by that name) were a common feature of houses where I grew up in Middle America. Rmhermen (talk) 14:39, 18 March 2010 (UTC) .... and if I wanted etymology I think I'd go to wiktionary as the article advertises. Its an unusual subject for an encyclopedia Victuallers (talk) 17:06, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

SS Empire Cedric

• ... that Empire Cedric, a former Landing Ship, Tank, was the first Ro-Ro ferry? Created by Mjroots (talk). Nominated by Mjroots (talk) at 04:39, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• Verified. Gatoclass (talk) 05:00, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Treaty (song)

• ... that Yothu Yindi's song "Treaty" was the first song by a predominately-Aboriginal band to chart in Australia and the first in any Aboriginal Australian language (Yolngu Matha) to gain extensive international recognition? Created by User:Dan arndt (talk). Nominated by User:Dan_arndt (talk) at 04:27, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• Verified. Gatoclass (talk) 04:40, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

John Toner

• ... that, unable to reach the university president, athletic director John Toner unilaterally accepted an invitation for the Connecticut Huskies to become a founding member of the Big East Conference? Created by Grondemar (talk). Nominated by Grondemar (talk) at 04:10, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• Article moved from userspace on March 18. -Grondemar 04:10, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Jacob Kamm

• ... that Jacob Kamm died in 1912, having been an "invalid" after being hit by a bicyclist in Portland, Oregon in 1907? 5x expanded by Tedder (talk). Self nom at 02:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• 5x expansion (354B to 2723B) tedder (talk) 02:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

...(alt) that steamboat and railway investor, Jacob Kamm, died five years after being hit by a cyclist? - Say who he is and don't include every detail? Victuallers (talk) 12:16, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 17

Walsh-Kaiser Company

• ... that the Walsh-Kaiser Company shipyard was originally run by a company that had no shipbuilding expertise? 5x expanded by Ktr101 (talk). Nominated by Ktr101 (talk) at 03:34, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• Couldn't confirm hook from source. Gatoclass (talk) 04:56, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh well, I'll change it then.

• ALT1:...that after the original owner of the Walsh-Kaiser Company shipyard showed incompetence, a shipbuilding and a construction company were brought in to finish the job?

Pitcher (container)

• ... that the word "pitcher" comes from the 13th century Middle English word picher, which means earthen jug ? 5x expanded by TitanOne (talk). Self nom at 02:03, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Johnnie Bassett

• ... that the American electric blues guitarist, singer, and songwriter, Johnnie Bassett, played on The Miracles 1958 debut single, "Got a Job"? Created by Derek R Bullamore (talk). Self nom at 01:27, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• Couldn't confirm that "Got a Job" was The Miracles' first single. Gatoclass (talk) 11:24, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• I've added a new reference that confirms it. Silverseren^C 16:05, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Battle of Chonan

• ... that during the Korean War, US Army Colonel Robert F. Martin commanded the 34th Infantry Regiment for only 14 hours before he was killed in the Battle of Chonan? Created by Ed! (talk). Self nom at 00:32, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• Offline refs AGF. Nice article, would make a fine lead if we had a pic. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 01:55, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Ethics AdviceLine for Journalists

• ... that the Ethics AdviceLine for Journalists has dealt with over 600 cases since it began in 2001? Created by E2eamon (talk). Self nom at 00:20, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Typhoon Nida (2009)

• ... that Typhoon Nida was the most intense tropical cyclone during 2009? Created by Jason Rees (talk). Self nom at 23:44, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Las Damas Romanas

• ... that the Christie's auction house gave Juan Luna's painting Las Damas Romanas (The Roman Maidens) (pictured) a price tag of $1 million to $1.2 million? Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 23:12, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

.(alt).. that since its rediscovery in 2008, the estimated value of Juan Luna's painting Las Damas Romanas (The Roman Maidens) (pictured) has varied from 10,000 Euros to $1.2 million?

Annunciation to the shepherds

• ... that the phrase "Peace on Earth, good will to men" derives from the Annunciation to the shepherds (pictured), but reflects a dispute over a single letter in the Greek text of the New Testament? Created by Radagast3 (talk). Self nom at 23:10, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Ulnaby

• ... that the village of Ulnaby was abandoned in the 16th century when labour-intensive arable farming gave way to pasture? Created by Storye book (talk). Nominated by Storye book (talk) at 19:49, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Tetarteron and Histamenon

• ... that the Byzantine emperor Nikephoros II allegedly insisted for taxes to be paid in the full-weight histamenon gold coin (pictured), but only paid back in the lighter tetarteron? Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 18:20, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Washington Bottom Farm

• ... that in 1861 during the American Civil War, Confederate General Turner Ashby had his headquarters at Washington Bottom Farm, which he named "Camp Washington"? 5x expanded by Caponer (talk). Nominated by Caponer (talk) at 17:56, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that the owner of Washington Bottom Farm, gentleman farmer George William Washington (1809-1876), was the son of Edward Washington, a descendant of a brother of President of the United States George Washington? --Caponer (talk) 18:00, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
• ALT2:... that Captain Richard Ashby, the brother of Confederate General Turner Ashby, was mortally wounded in battle and died in the ballroom at Washington Bottom Farm? --Caponer (talk) 18:07, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Villa de Zaachila

• ... that in Villa de Zaachila, Mexico, the weekly tianguis or open air market has changed little over the centuries and the Zapotec language can still be heard ? 5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 17:33, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• Seems good. 5x expansion. Age OK anyone speak Spanish to check hook? Victuallers (talk) 13:13, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Rubén Jaramillo

• ... that Mexican revolutionary Rubén Jaramillo twice ran for governor of Morelos and led two armed rebellions against the government? Created by Malik Shabazz (talk). Self nom at 17:10, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• offline sources on good faith everything good to go.Thelmadatter (talk) 17:38, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Basilikon

• ... that in ca. 1304, the Byzantine emperor Andronikos II Palaiologos introduced a new silver coin, the basilikon, modeled after the Venetian grosso, to pay the Catalan Company? Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 14:56, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• Verified; the bit about the Catalan Company must be in Hendy 1985, which I have no access to, so I was unable to verify the referencing entirely. Todor→Bozhinov 19:19, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Sera Chí¶ding Hermitage

• ...that in the Sera Chí¶ding Hermitage (pictured) in Lhasa, Tibet according to a local legend, the 'local site-spirit' (gzhi bdag) used to enter through a small window to meet Tsongkhapa? 5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Nvvchar (talk) at 11:22, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• Alt Hook:... that in the Sera Chí¶ding Hermitage (pictured) in Lhasa, Tibet legend linked to a fresco of Tsongkhapa on a wall mentions of a speaking-statue, an "image that speaks" (gsung byon ma)?

Green Mada'in Association for Agricultural Development

• ...that the Green Mada'in Association for Agricultural Development is an agricultural cooperative in Iraq that is building greenhouses and drip irrigation systems in the Mada'in Qada region? Created by Gobonobo (talk). Self nom at 10:32, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1:...that the agricultural cooperative Green Mada'in Association for Agricultural Development is the largest U.S. funded agricultural project in Iraq?

Valentine Kiss and Sayuri Kokush�

• ... that Sayuri KokushÅ�'s 1986 debut single, Valentine Kiss, is the most popular Valentine's Day song in Japan, despite selling only 317,000 copies? Created by Nihonjoe (talk). Self nom at 08:24, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• I just created the Sayuri KokushÅ� article as well, so can this be a double article DYK? I've never done one of those, so I'm not sure how that works. I'll be continuing to expand the Sayuri KokushÅ� article today, as well, so it will have even more information. ···æ—¥æœ¬ç©£^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:16, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• You can just add the second article; no problem. Ucucha 22:09, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• Okay, cool. I've adjusted the header, too. ···æ—¥æœ¬ç©£^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 22:39, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Norrie May-Welby

• ... that in March 2010 Australia became the first country in the world to officially recognise a 'non-specified' gender, when Norrie May-Welby was found to be neither a man nor a woman? Created by Mais oui! (talk). Nominated by Mais oui! (talk) at 05:55, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• Too short, article needs a minimum of 1500 characters of text, currently only has 837. Gatoclass (talk) 06:20, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• I have expanded it. Please recheck. Silverseren^C 17:27, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Tom Cruise Purple

• ... that Tom Cruise Purple is a potent strain of cannabis packaged with a picture of actor Tom Cruise? 5x expanded by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 05:18, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Cattle and Cane

• ... that The Go-Betweens' "Cattle and Cane", although selected by Australasian Performing Right Association (APRA) as one of the Top 30 Australian songs of all time, never charted in Australia? Created by Dan arndt (talk). Self nom at 05:12, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that Grant McLennan wrote The Go-Betweens' "Cattle and Cane" on Nick Cave's guitar, in Cave's London flat, whilst Cave was allegedly comatose due to substance abuse? Dan arndt (talk) 05:12, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• Verified original hook, can't feature the alt per our BLP rules. Gatoclass (talk) 06:35, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Yanko Sakazov

• ... that Yanko Sakazov was one of the two first socialist parliamentarians in Bulgaria, elected to the National Assembly in 1894? Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 02:20, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• Verified. Gatoclass (talk) 06:43, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Orvieto Papacy

• ... that Pope Clement VII built the Pozzo di S. Patrizio (pictured) while taking refuge in Orvieto in 1527 from the Sack of Rome? Created by Savidan (talk). Nominated by Savidan (talk) at 02:09, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• Source says he took refuge in 1528 and doesn't mention the Sack of Rome. Gatoclass (talk) 06:49, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Hoka Hey Motorcycle Challenge

• ... that the rider who completes the Hoka Hey Motorcycle Challenge in the shortest time will win $500,000 in Alaskan gold? created by User:Beeblebrox 3-17, self nom

• There are no inline citations (including the hook).

Alfrredo Navarro Salanga

• ... that the Filipino novella The Birthing of Hannibal Valdez was authored by Palanca Awardee Alfrredo Navarro Salanga? Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 01:14, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• Aside from any other potential issues - I've not reviewed it - this is an incredibly boring hook. Please suggest an ALT. cmadler (talk) 13:59, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT 1: ... that Alfrredo Navarro Salanga, author of the Filipino novella The Birthing of Hannibal Valdez, was a three-time Palanca Memorial Awardee? - AnakngAraw (talk) 16:13, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT 2: ... that Alfrredo Navarro Salanga, a three-time Palanca Awardee and author of The Birthing of Hannibal Valdez, was also known as "Daddy Giant"? - AnakngAraw (talk) 16:13, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Maurice Sanford Fox

• ... that Maurice Sanford Fox is an American geneticist and molecular biologist who studied the efficacy of breast cancer treatments many years before it became a hot topic? Created by Pjurgensen (talk). Self nom at 01:10, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Pairwise summation

• ... that pairwise summation of a sequence (breaking it in half and summing each half separately first) greatly reduces rounding errors? Created by Steven G. Johnson (talk). Self-nom by Steven G. Johnson (talk) at 16:42, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 16

Harry Crosby

• ... that Harry Crosby, who with his wife Caresse Crosby published early works of struggling writers like James Joyce, T. S. Eliot, and Ezra Pound, committed suicide at age 31 in a pact with his lover?

ALT1 ... that Harry Crosby who had an open marriage with his wife Caresse Crosby, and published early works of struggling writers like James Joyce and Ezra Pound, committed suicide in a pact with his lover?

5x expanded by Btphelps (talk). Self nom at 15:05, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Siege of Leith

• ... that in 1560 the English arrived in Scotland to assist the Scots in removing the French camped at the Siege of Leith?

• Comment: alts welcome

Created by Victuallers (talk), Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk). Self nom at 23:03, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• Verified, but I think the hook needs to be re-expressed as it's a little ambiguous. Suggest something like:
• ALT1: ... that in 1560 the English helped the Scots lay siege to the French encampment at Leith? Gatoclass (talk) 23:28, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Thx - happy with alt Victuallers (talk) 09:50, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• Alt hook verified. Gatoclass (talk) 10:53, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Billie Jean black sequin jacket

• ... that Michael Jackson gave away his signature Billie Jean black sequin jacket on two separate occasions, once in 1983 to Sammy Davis, Jr. for Motown 25, and again in 1984 to a fan at the Victory Tour? Created by DinhoGauch10 (talk). Self nom at 21:18, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that Michael Jackson loved his Billie Jean black sequin jacket? And there are two accounts of Michael giving his beloved jacket to fans. Once in 1983, to Sammy Davis Jr. at Motown 25, and again to a Super-Fan in 1984, during the Victory Tour at the Pontiac Silverdome?, Alt suggested by DinhoGauch10 (talk).

I think that this would be a better hook because it shows not only Michael's love for his black sequin jacket, but also his fansDinhoGauch10 (talk) 04:21, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Manawan, Quebec

• ... that the Manawan Indian reserve in the Mauricie region of Quebec, Canada, has had road access only since 1973? Created by P199 (talk). Self nom at 16:12, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Muckaty station

• ... that after a search that has so far lasted 30 years, Muckaty station in Australia's Northern Territory is the only site being considered for a national radioactive waste facility? Created by Hamiltonstone (talk). Self nom at 10:49, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• Looks okay. Certified quirky. Gatoclass (talk) 11:31, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten, BWV 172

• ... that Bach marked to repeat the opening chorus of cantata Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten, BWV 172 after the final chorale? Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 09:46, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

I have two concerns with this nomination: 1) The article needs to be copyedited (I'm short on time this week or I'd do it myself). 2) Hook fact doesn't seem particularly interesting. Is there something that might be more interesting about this cantata? Maybe that he originally wrote it in C major, moved it to D major with the first revision, and then moved it back to C major? Or something else? If these are addressed, I recommend adding it to the 3/21 holding area for Bach's 325th birthday. cmadler (talk) 13:54, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

The hook fact may not seem interesting to you but ask the Bach fellows who claim that he would ALWAYS close with a chorale, - compare this from Cantata (highlighted by me): "The essential point, however, in Bach's church cantatas is that they formed part of a church service. Many of Bach's greatest cantatas begin with an elaborate chorus followed by a couple of arias and recitatives, and end with a plain chorale. This has often been commented upon as an example of Bach's indifference to artistic climax in the work as a whole. But no one will maintain this who realizes the place which the church cantata occupied in the Lutheran church service. The text was carefully based upon the gospel or lessons for the day; unless the cantata was short the sermon probably took place after the first chorus or one of the arias, and the congregation joined in the final chorale." So I think the hook is quite a statement. - But I will keep thinking. - The C - D - major thing is simple: tuning was different in Leipzig, so he switched, but then it got too high for the choir, and he switched back. That would be for specialists only. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:17, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

I didn't really think the key was that big a deal, of course the meaning and significance of key and tonality has changed over time and depending on tuning (equal tempered, just tempered, etc.). But without a certain degree of familiarity with Bach's cantatas it's not apparent that closing with a repeat of the opening chorus is remarkable; it's common in many forms of music (and perhaps even in cantatas by other composers?) to conclude with a repetition of the opening, or at least a restatement. Maybe this hook can be reworded, as we did with BWV 191 ("around 200 cantatas in German but only one...in Latin?") to make it clear the degree to which this is unusual? cmadler (talk) 15:22, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, I wouldn't know immediately a polite way to be more explicit, found that rude enough a way of fighting the so-called "plain chorale". (I don't know a single chorale of Bach - and I know some - that I would describe as "plain".) - I thought about: that Bach loved the piece so much that he still reworked it more than 15 years later, whereas the common thing to do was to compose a new one each year if possible. Would need to be phrased ... ideas welcome for both. (btw I'll be off tomorrow.) o.k. trying one more variation on the theme - and certainly we did the repeat in 2000 and heard interesting comments, nobody believed that it had been Bach himself who wanted it that way, at least in 1714, - no repeat in 1731.:

• ALT1 ... that Bach did not end his cantata Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten, BWV 172 with the chorale, but marked to repeat the opening chorus afterwards? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:59, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Timbuwarra

• ... that timbuwarra are sometimes used to teach Wiru boys which hole to aim for during sex so as to avoid causing pregnancy? Created by Ser Amantio di Nicolao (talk). Nominated by --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 02:35, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Georges de Regibus

• ... that Swiss athlete Georges de Regibus introduced association football to Bulgaria in 1894 as a sports teacher in Varna? Created by TodorBozhinov (talk). Nominated by TodorBozhinov (talk) at 21:58, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• All good. Foreign language refs AGF (although I understood most of it). Nice addition to WP. -- P 1 9 9 - TALK 16:19, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks! I did my best to find English sources, but it seems nobody had posted anything about him online until now. Todor→Bozhinov 16:45, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

UdiWWW

• ...that UdiWWW was among the first web browsers to support the HTML 3 specification?

• ALT1:...that Bernd Richter abandoned development of the UdiWWW HTML3 web browser following the release of Microsoft's ActiveX Development Kit?

Created by Smallman12q (talk). Nominated by Smallman12q (talk) at 20:40, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Dorofei

• ... that Dmitry Medvedev's cat Dorofei once got into a fight with Mikhail Gorbachev's cat, and lost? Created by Russavia (talk). Self nom at 16:14, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• Hilarious! AGF on Russian sources. Found confirmation at Pravda Online, which, however, I don't think is a reliable source, so I didn't add to the article. cmadler (talk) 20:00, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT1

... that after losing a fight with Mikhail Gorbachev's cat, Dmitry Medvedev's cat Dorofei was castrated? --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 06:07, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• English source supports both hooks. Prefer ALT1. cmadler (talk) 13:44, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Lionello Cecil

• ... that Lionello Cecil sang the lead tenor part in the first complete microphone recording of Verdi's La traviata in 1928? Created by Aiken drum (talk). Nominated by Aiken drum (talk) at 14:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Note: someone else created it, but it was basically a word for word copy of another web page. I have rewritten it somewhat. Aiken ♫ 14:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• Added "microphone" to hook, because that's what both the source and the article say. cmadler (talk) 18:16, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Walter Cornock

• ... that despite being an Australian, Walter Cornock played both professional football and first-class cricket for English teams? Created by 8lgm (talk). Self nom at 12:27, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Thirty pieces of silver

• ... that the thirty pieces of silver which Judas Iscariot received for betraying Jesus is echoed in Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment by the thirty roubles which Sonia earns for selling herself? Created by StAnselm (talk). Nominated by Radagast3 (talk) at 11:50, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• Article creation & length check out. AGF on offline citation for hook fact. cmadler (talk) 14:10, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

AN/PSQ-20

• ... that the AN/PSQ-20 "Enhanced Night Vision Device" combines image intensifier and thermal imaging technologies, which were previously used separately? Created by Chamal N (talk). Self nom at 11:21, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• -Length, date, hook, and source are fine. $10,000 for night-vision is a bit steep...even for the military=P.Smallman12q (talk) 21:03, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Martyrs' Lane

• ... that the Martyrs' Lane in Baku, Azerbaijan has dedicated to those killed by the Red Army during Black January and later to those killed in Nagorno-Karabakh War? 5x expanded by User:NovaSkola (talk). Self nom at --NovaSkola (talk) 08:02, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• Currently only a x3 expansion, needs to be x5 to qualify. Gatoclass (talk) 07:09, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Bracken, Texas

• ... that the largest known colony of mammals in the world are found in Bracken Cave near the small town of Bracken, Texas? Created by William S. Saturn (talk). Nominated by William S. Saturn (talk) at 07:59, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• Is MSN a sufficiently reliable source? cmadler (talk) 18:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

A new reference has been added, and the claim is also made in the Batcon.org page at the bottom of the paragraph. --William S. Saturn (talk) 19:30, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• cmadler (talk) 19:46, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't be comfortable referencing a claim as strong as this with sources like these. While they may be Wikipedia-reliable, I would prefer an actual peer-reviewed or otherwise academic source if I were to write the article. Ucucha 01:08, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

doi:10.1093/icb/icn051 says it's one of the largest colonies in their study area, and ISBN 9780801434754 that it is the largest bat colony in the world. Ucucha 01:22, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I added another reference, which also supports the claim. It is probably one of the most reliable sites on the web: Handbook of Texas Online. --William S. Saturn (talk) 04:35, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I changed the wording of the hook to "colony", which aligns it with the Handbook's wording and is less vague. Ucucha 12:56, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Art Pavilion in Zagreb

• ... that the Art Pavilion gallery was originally built for an exhibition in Budapest and then transported to Zagreb, where it was re-built in 1898?

• Comment: Expanded from 602 characters to around 3,300

5x expanded by Timbouctou (talk). Self nom at 06:23, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• 5x expansion is a fact, hook, length and date verified as well. Todor→Bozhinov 13:27, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Carlos Alonso

• ... that beef is a common element in the works of the New realist painter Carlos Alonso? Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 04:50, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date and hook refs verified. --Bruce1ee^talk 06:43, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Otumba de Gómez Farí­as

• ... that the town of Otumba, Mexico has an annual Donkey Fair where the animals feature in fashion shows and costume contests? 5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 03:42, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Tyler Seguin

• ... that Tyler Seguin, a center for the Plymouth Whalers won the 2009-10 Eddie Powers Memorial Trophy as the highest scorer in the Ontario Hockey League, with 106 points? 5x expanded by Captain Courageous (talk). Nominated by Captain Courageous (talk) at 03:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Joseph H. Allen

• ... that Joseph H. Allen, a volunteer infantryman and the 21st supervisor of the Town of Brunswick in New York, was brevetted Lieutenant colonel by Abraham Lincoln in 1865? Created by UpstateNYer (talk). Self nom at 02:28, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Eoplectreurys

• ... that the extinct spider Eoplectreurys is the oldest described Haplogynae series genus, predating spiders from Cretaceous amber in Jordan and Lebanon? 5x expanded by Kevmin (talk). Nominated by Kevmin (talk) at 01:27, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date, and reference are good. I thought that "series" was an obscure botanical term for a taxonomic rank below genus, but I see that it is also an obscure term within some invertebrate classifications for a taxonomic rank above family. I realize that most people probably won't be confused by this, as they will be unfamiliar with either definition, but I still think that the hook will make more sense to a general audience if we remove "series". Millifolium (talk) 00:26, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1... that the extinct spider Eoplectreurys is the oldest described genus of Haplogynae, predating spiders from Cretaceous amber in Jordan and Lebanon?

Gowardia

• ... that Gowardia, a lichen found in arctic and alpine tundra on both sides of the world, is named after the lichenologist Trevor Goward? Created by Millifolium (talk). Self nom at 00:15, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Israeli naval campaign in Operation Yoav

• ... that Israeli naval forces deployed explosive Italian motorboats to sink the Egyptian Navy flagship Emir Farouk in the naval campaign of Operation Yoav? Created by Ynhockey (talk). Self nom at 00:01, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• Looks good. Changed the hook a bit to match the article; I hope you don't mind. NW (Talk) 03:20, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Noah Marullo

• ... that British child actor Noah Marullo plays a character with Asperger syndrome on Tracy Beaker Returns, which he feels "helps children understand that everyone is different"? 5x expanded by J Milburn (talk). Nominated by J Milburn (talk) at 00:18, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Javier Arias Stella

• ... that Javier Arias Stella, Peruvian foreign minister during the Paquisha War, is also a notable pathologist? Created by Arcadian (talk). Self nom at 17:48, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• Way too short. The DYK length requirement is 1,500 characters of prose. Todor→Bozhinov 17:16, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• I have expanded it so that it is at 1700 characters now. Is it good to go? Silverseren^C 01:03, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• Overall length look ok now, but the article looks sort of incomplete to me because of the very short sections. Is it possible to expand or combine some of them? But there are more important issues to be fixed: The source given for the foreign minister fact is a blog, and the part about involvement in the Paquisha War is uncited. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 02:08, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• They can be expanded, yes, and i'm working on that. The reference for the foreign minister fact was replaced with two others, and a reference was added for the Paquisha War fact. Silverseren^C 02:44, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• Good enough. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 12:33, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 15

Sean Reilly (Louisiana politician)

• ... that Governor Bobby Jindal named former State Rep. Sean Reilly as board chairman of Blueprint Louisiana, a group promoting technology and economic development statewide? Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Nominated by Billy Hathorn (talk) at 04:15, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Never Before (album)

• ... that the original recording of The Byrds' song "Eight Miles High" was not released until its appearance on the Never Before compilation album in 1987, some 22 years after it had been committed to tape? Created by Kohoutek1138 (talk). Self nom at 20:00, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 1 - ... that the title track of The Byrds' Never Before compilation album was erroneously titled by its author and should've, in fact, been named "The Day Walk"?

• Length and date verified, offline hooks refs accepted in good faith. I think the first hook is more interesting. --Bruce1ee^talk 10:15, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• Agreed. My personal preference would be the first hook as well. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 14:48, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• That being the case, I've struck-out ALT 1. --Bruce1ee^talk 14:53, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Fang Island

• ... that indie rock band Fang Island took its name from a fictional location described in an Onion article as a secret hideaway of then U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld? Created by Gongshow (talk). Self nom at 17:27, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

MUZU TV

• ... that free, legal video sharing website MUZU TV is seen as a potential rival for YouTube? Created by Candlewicke (talk). Self nom at 02:13, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• While this does check out in all regards, "is seen as" strikes me as a bit weasel-wordy. Care to suggest a different hook for this article, or a rewording of this one? cmadler (talk) 12:53, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• ... that free, legal video sharing website MUZU TV has been described as a potential rival for YouTube? --candle-wicke 21:23, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• Try this: ALT2 ... that Sky News described the free legal video sharing website MUZU TV as a likely rival for YouTube? cmadler (talk) 14:12, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Thomas Hengelbrock

• ... that Pina Bausch and conductor Thomas Hengelbrock staged Gluck's Orfeo ed Euridice in Paris and the ancient theater in Epidaurus? Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 13:52, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Battles of Wenden (1577-1578)

• ... that during the Battles of Wenden (1577-1578), 300 people blew themselves up to escape capture? Created by Skí¤pperí¶d (talk). Nominated by Skí¤pperí¶d (talk) at 23:15, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Adolf Karl Ludwig Claus

• ... that Adolf Claus suggested a structure for benzene in 1867, still known as Claus' benzene (pictured)? Created by Stone (talk). Self nom at 18:38, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Coucoucache, Quebec

• ... that when the Coucoucache indian reserve was inundated by a new reservoir, the Canadian Government was compensated only $380 for the loss of land? Created by P199 (talk). Self nom at 12:57, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

James Cumming

• ... that Rev. Prof. James Cumming, is known for his entertaining Chemistry lectures in Cambridge University where he was known to electrocute a cat? Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 11:45, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• -I can't find the source for this. Your reference to The 1702 chair of chemistry at Cambridge: transformation and change states page 318, yet the book has 318 pages. Are you sure it is on the last page?Smallman12q (talk) 21:12, 16 March 2010 (UTC) The "318" is the number of pages (pp means pages) - I missed adding p.146 (which I have now added) sorry and thx for review Victuallers (talk) 22:08, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• The pp paramater isn't meant for that, its meant to indicate multiple pages fro example 5-7, whereas the p paramater is for a single page. I'm not sure if you are aware, but there is a citation tool at http://reftag.appspot.com/ that will make it much much easier to cite google books=P.
• Now as for the source, I looked at page 146, and was a bit perplexed as to the lexical ambiguity of their sentence, despite the fact that this was a Cambridge University Press publication . It states "...and frequently executed a cat with an electric shock." How does one interpret this? Was a cat frequently executed via electrocution in that it had multiple lives...or was it that the professor electrocuted a single cat at a time? Your current phrasing "where he was known to electrocute a cat?" implies that there was a single cat which was electrocuted multiple times by the professor. The text, however, appears to implie that by executing a cat, that he killed one cat each time. This really isn't your fault, but rather the author who introduced lexical ambiguity by using poor grammar.
• There's also the question of "entertaining". The source states that "Cumming literally shocked audiences with an electric shock". Although from a sardonic viewpoint, this could be considered entertaining, I'm not quite sure if "shocking" people would be considered entertainment here on wikipedia...(this is of course debatable).
• It was a most interesting read...to see that a dept. chair would condone and partake in such behavior is indeed of interest=P.
• I hope you do not find me to be an adversary, but here at Wikipedia we do try and strive for accuracy when possible. I cannot rate this DYK nomination because I have edited the article and would not like to create a COI(conflict of interest), however, another editor is free to evaluate this DYK nomination.Smallman12q (talk) 00:37, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

  Sorry, I have only read this thread and haven't seen the article at all, but I oppose the hook, merely because it would naturally induce negative reaction in most readers, not to mention cat lovers. In other words, I don't see a need for selecting negative facts of questionable notability for the main page. Materialscientist (talk) 01:04, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

No problem with the "frequently executed a cat" - as any fule kno you cannot execute an individual cat more than once. Don't see any issue with shocking his audiences either. Sounds quite jolly. DuncanHill (talk) 01:02, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I have started a thread at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#Lexical_Ambiguity.Smallman12q (talk) 01:07, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Green Lantern (film)

• ... that the film Green Lantern starring Ryan Reynolds has been in development since 1997 and once included a comedic incarnation with Jack Black set to star? Created by TriiipleThreat (talk) and Wildroot (talk). Nominated by TriiipleThreat (talk) at 04:32, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Alkali Lake Chemical Waste Dump

• ... that the Alkali Lake Chemical Waste Dump in Oregon contains 25,000 drums of chemical waste, dumped in 1969 by a predecessor of Bayer CropScience? Created by Duff (talk), Tedder (talk). Nominated by Tedder (talk) at 02:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• Moved to mainspace on March 15. tedder (talk) 02:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

America is in the Heart

• ... that Carey McWilliams described Carlos Bulosan's America is in the Heart as a social classic that reflected the experiences of Filipino immigrants in America? 5x expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 01:58, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Frankish Papacy

• ... that Pope Stephen II in 752 became the first pope to cross the alps? Created by Savidan (talk). Nominated by Savidan (talk) at 01:00, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Walter Lappert

• ... that Walter Lappert started an ice cream company at age 61, and on Kauai, with a population of only 40,000 people, he sold out his first batch of 17,000 liters in just two weeks in 1983? Created by Alawa (talk). Self nom at 22:57, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• Nice hook, but the source doesn't actually state he sold the whole first batch on Kauai. Gatoclass (talk) 07:18, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Tambouras

• ... that the Tambouras, a Greek traditional string instrument, is completely different from the Indian version? Created by 187.59.18.121 (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 22:48, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 1 -

... that the Tambouras, a Greek traditional string instrument of the lute family and ancestor of the bouzouki, features moveable frets? - I.M.S. (talk) 23:24, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

As it will appear exotic and interesting to many readers, I would simply state something about the instrument itself. - I.M.S. (talk) 23:24, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• I like ALT1, or I see potential for an April Fools Day Tamboura/Tambouras hook. However, the article must have inline citations for DYK; it currently has none. cmadler (talk) 23:46, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Comment I agree with ALT 1; I will endeavour to improve the referencing; as it was created by a (changing) IP, I may not be able to contact them to improve references - from discussions with them, I believe that they are going to create an account, so I will try. I will also try and source at least some of it, in-line, myself.  Chzz  â–º  23:53, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Fixed? I have added inline citations to support at least all the facts given in ALT1.  Chzz  â–º  00:39, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

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Yes, I was going to point out the inline citation problem as well. The article looks great now (hook fact is sourced). - I.M.S. (talk) 02:23, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

David Holman

• ... that while working for Jim Henson's company David Holman helped launch the original Muppet Show and went on doing television production for over three decades including soap operas and prime time? 5x expanded by Benjiboi (talk). Self nom at 22:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• • I'm open to any hook changes. -- Banjeboi 22:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

1882-83 West Bromwich Albion F.C. season

• ... that when West Bromwich Albion won a Birmingham Senior Cup match 26-0 in the 1882-83 season, every player except the goalkeeper scored at least once? Created by Jameboy (talk). Self nom at 22:04, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• Confirmed length, article creation, hook length. AGF for offline source. Good hook! cmadler (talk) 23:55, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Allan Walters

• ... that RAAF pilot Allan Walters (pictured) made use of his aerobatic skills while courting his wife-to-be in 1930, performing stunts above the church where her father was rector? Created by Ian Rose (talk). Nominated by Ian Rose (talk) at 21:15, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Toxotes chatareus

• ... that females of the species Toxotes chatareus may lay between 20000 and 150000 eggs at a time? 5x expanded by Intelligentsium (talk). Self nom at 21:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: Image probably needs to be cropped to remove the watermark, but I'm not sure how to do that. Intelligentsium 00:12, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
• Date, length, and refs are good. I'd change the hook to say what this animal is, in case it doesn't get a picture:

• ... that female seven spotted archerfish may lay between 20000 and 150000 eggs at a time?

• I also think that as cool as their fecundity is, spitting water at their prey is way cooler. How about a hook like:

• ... that the seven spotted archerfish can hunt terrestrial insects by spitting a stream of water at them to knock them into the water, even when they are up to 1.5 meters away?

Millifolium (talk) 06:42, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Watermarked images are copyrighted. Cropping the watermark is not a solution.--Wetman (talk) 14:19, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

The copyright holder has licensed the image under a license appropriate for Wikipedia. The terms of that license include permission for the creation of derivative works, such as a version with the watermark cropped away. Ucucha 14:26, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I removed the watermark. Millifolium (talk) 17:15, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Minuscule 658, Minuscule 659, Minuscule 661

• ... that Minuscule 658, 659, and 661 during the bombing of Berlin were sent out of Berlin for safekeeping, after war they were found in Poland? Created by Leszek JaÅ„czuk (talk). Self nom at 19:01, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Lango Sinkamba

• ... that wheelchair marathonian Lango Sinkamba was Zambia's first Paralympian? Created by Aridd (talk). Self nom at 17:58, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Causes of the May Revolution

• ... that one of the main causes of the May Revolution could have been when Napoleon crowned his own brother Joseph Bonaparte, as the new Spanish King? Created/expanded by MBelgrano (talk). Nominated by Venustas 12 (talk) at 17:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Mohini

• ... that the erotic Indian classical dance Mohiniattam is named after the seductress supreme of Hindu mythology - Mohini, the female avatar of the male god Vishnu? 5x expanded by Redtigerxyz (talk). Nominated by Redtigerxyz (talk) at 14:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• I prefer the wooden sculpture. But if nudity is an issue, I suggest the other one. Though the latter image is not used in the article, an image showing the whole sculpture is used, but that one does not look good in 100X100 px. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 14:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

WP:NOTCENSORED. Pick whatever image more effectively illustrates the article. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 14:17, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Commented 1 image. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 19:07, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length, and refs all good. Easy contender for lead hook. The image is fine. Ceoil ^sláinte 20:22, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Sixteenth government of Israel

• ... that at just 85 days in office, the sixteenth government of Israel was the shortest-lived in the country's history? Created by Number 57 (talk). Self nom at 13:55, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Carlbury

• ... that Carlbury hill was the site of an English Civil War battery emplacement for a Royalist contingent at the Battle of Piercebridge? 5x expanded by Storye book (talk). Nominated by Storye book (talk) at 12:37, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

William Hutcheon Hall

• ... that William Hutcheon Hall of the Royal Navy earned the nickname "Nemesis Hall" for his services as commander of the Nemesis during the First Anglo-Chinese War? Created by Spellcast (talk). Self nom at 09:04, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• This one checks out. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 13:06, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Sebacina

• !that the fungal genus Sebacina (S. concrescence pictured) includes species that can encrust the stem bases of living plants? Created by RunningClam (talk). Nominated by Sasata (talk) at 06:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Viterbo Papacy

• ... that the papal court resided in Viterbo (papal palace pictured) for twenty years in the thirteenth century? Created by Savidan (talk). Nominated by Savidan (talk) at 06:31, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Hungargunn Bear It'n Mind

• ... that this year's best in show at Crufts, Hungargunn Bear It'n Mind, was the first time a Hungarian Vizsla has won the competition? Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 00:18, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone

• ... that a Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone is a political subdivision of a municipality or county in the state of Texas created to implement tax increment financing? Created by YixilTesiphon (talk). Self nom at 17:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 14

The Possum

• ...that the Parks and Recreation episode "The Possum" features an opossum that some commentators described as an allegory for capital punishment? 5x expanded by Hunter Kahn (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 12:57, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Richard Stapley

• ... that actor Richard Stapley, who was sometimes known by the stage name Richard Wyler, published his first novel at age 17? Created by Scanlan (talk). Self nom at 01:54, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Cécile DeWitt-Morette

• ... that Cécile DeWitt-Morette founded a summer school in the Alps that hosted two dozen Nobel Prize winners? Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 09:26, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Weekend Wogan

• ... that tickets for the first 12 editions of the BBC Radio 2 show Weekend Wogan were sold out within 24 hours? Created by TheRetroGuy (talk). Nominated by TheRetroGuy (talk) at 12:50, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 1 ... that the actor Sir Ian McKellen was the final guest to appear on Parkinson's Sunday Supplement and one of the first on Weekend Wogan, both Sunday morning programmes on BBC Radio 2. TheRetroGuy (talk) 14:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Kevin Reilly (Louisiana politician)

• ... that former State Rep. Kevin P. Reilly, Sr., once told People magazine that all Louisiana residents needed to be contented was "a pickup and a shotgun"? Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Oryzomys nelsoni

• ... that the extinct Mexican rice rat Oryzomys nelsoni has only been collected once? 5x expanded by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 22:01, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Euryoryzomys emmonsae

• ... that the distribution of Brazilian rice rat Euryoryzomys emmonsae may be unique among muroid rodents? 5x expanded by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 22:01, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

John Erskine Clarke

• ... that John Erskine Clarke produced the first parish magazine at Derby in 1859? Created by Motmit (talk). Self nom at 21:32, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Leith Hall

• ... that Leith Hall in Aberdeenshire, Scotland is said to be haunted by the ghost of Laird John Leith, who was shot in the head on Christmas Day in 1763 during a drunken brawl? Created by Himalayan Explorer (talk). Nominated by Himalayan Explorer (talk) at 21:19, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Christopher Bruun

• ... that after concluding his participation in the Second Schleswig War, priest and educator Christopher Bruun walked to Rome? Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 19:50, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

The Rosales Saga, Tree (novel), The Pretenders (novel), Mass (novel)

• ... that the novels Tree, The Pretenders, and Mass are parts of F. Sionil José's (pictured) series The Rosales Saga?

• Comment: Quadrupled hook nominations

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 19:42, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• If this image is used, its alt text needs to be improved to meet the guidelines at WP:ALT. rʨanaÉ¢ (talk) 16:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

The Power of Madonna

• ... that Madonna (pictured) licensed her entire music catalogue to the television series Glee, resulting in the tribute episode "The Power of Madonna"? Created by Frickative (talk). Self nom at 19:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Hello (Glee)

• ... that Broadway performer Idina Menzel's casting in the Glee episode "Hello" followed a fan campaign based on her resemblance to series star Lea Michele? Created by Frickative (talk). Self nom at 19:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Karl Ludwig Giesecke

• ... that Karl Ludwig Giesecke (1761-1833) sang at the premiere of Mozart's celebrated opera The Magic Flute, was stranded in Greenland for six years during the Napoleonic Wars and ended his carreer as professor of mineralogy in Dublin? Self nom by hhbruun (although the article has been substantially expanded by Opus33) at 19:28, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Taklung Monastery and Riwoche Monastery

• ... that both Taklung Monastery and Riwoche Monastery belong to the Kagyu sect of Tibetan Buddhism?? Created by John Hill (talk), Himalayan Explorer (talk). Nominated by Himalayan Explorer (talk) at 14:24, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Thistle, Utah

• ... that Thistle, Utah was destroyed by the most costly landslide in the United States and first U.S. President declared federal disaster area in the state of Utah? 5x expanded by Davemeistermoab (talk). Self nom at 08:23, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Note: One of the key sources for this hook is currently down. Google's cached version [1] can confirm the hook in the interim.Dave (talk) 08:23, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Site is back up.Dave (talk) 16:43, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Acute exacerbations of chronic bronchitis

• ... that acute exacerbations of chronic bronchitis (AECB) occurs on average two to three times per year in a person sufffering from COPD? Created by Mikael Hí¤ggstrí¶m (talk). Self nom at 07:22, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

German submarine U-78 (1940)

• ... that the German submarine U-78 was the only U-boat to be sunk by land-based artillery fire in World War II? 5x expanded by Coldplay Expert (talk). Nominated by Coldplay Expert (talk) at 05:53, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Araneagryllus

• ... that Araneagryllus is named from a combination of the Latin aranea meaning "spider" and gryllus, meaning "cricket"? Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nom at 01:34, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 13

Throne of God

• ...that Jewishs, Christian and Muslim scriptures all make repeated references to the Throne of God in the Seven Heavens? Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 01:16, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

John Ricord

• ... that clients of wandering frontier lawyer John Ricord included Sam Houston and Hawaiian King Kamehameha III (pictured)?

• Comment: moved to main space March 13 after developing in user space for a few days

Created by W Nowicki (talk). Nominated by W Nowicki (talk) at 00:45, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Treaty of Seringapatam, Third Anglo-Mysore War

• ... that under the terms of the Treaty of Seringapatam, which ended the Third Anglo-Mysore War in 1792, Tipu Sultan was required to surrender two of his sons as hostages of war? Created by Magicpiano (talk). Self nom at 14:40, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• Note Treaty of Seringapatam is new; Third Anglo-Mysore War is 5x expansion. Magic♪piano 14:40, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Neville Bertie-Clay

• ... that Neville Bertie-Clay developed the soft pointed dum dum bullet for the British Army in 1896 in response to the lower stopping power of the Lee-Metford bullet then in use? 5x expanded by Dumelow (talk). Nominated by Dumelow (talk) at 12:21, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Drs. Foster & Smith

• ... that Drs. Foster & Smith, a US$250 million pet supply company, initially refused to spend any money on internet advertising, despite launching its online operations the same year as Pets.com?

• Comment: article was developed outside of mainspace over a period of time & moved into mainspace today

Created by ThaddeusB (talk), DFSBrent (talk). Nominated by ThaddeusB (talk) at 04:32, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I am considering trying to bring this article up to GA status in the future. As such, if the reviewer is willing to assess the article and/or provide constructive criticism I would much appreciate it. Thanks, ThaddeusB (talk) 04:32, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Into Temptation (film)

• ... that writer/director Patrick Coyle first publicly showed his 2009 film Into Temptation at the hospice where his father stayed? Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 04:27, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Erioderma pedicellatum

• ... that the boreal felt lichen (pictured), one of the most endangered lichens in the world, begins its life by growing inside of a liverwort? 5x expanded by Millifolium (talk). Self nom at 00:22, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Bridge of Flowers (bridge)

• ... that the Bridge of Flowers, originally built as a trolley bridge, was covered in plants after plans for demolition or reuse of the bridge were discouraged due to cost and the use of the bridge as the carrier of a water pipe? Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 21:55, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• This is really interesting, and meets the length and article creation requirements. Unfortunately, this article is sourced entirely to the Bridge of Flowers website, which is not a reliable secondary source. Please improve the article sourcing and then this can be used. cmadler (talk) 15:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Fixed. I found one sight but it triggered the spam filter, but another one was solid. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• cmadler (talk) 13:36, 17 March 2010 (UTC) Withdrawn, per below. cmadler (talk) 17:07, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

  Hook too long (223 chars, should be within 200) Materialscientist (talk) 11:33, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that, because it could not be repaired due to the cost, nor removed due to a major water main, a trolley bridge was turned into a garden called the Bridge of Flowers (pictured)? cmadler (talk) 17:24, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Bamba Sutherland

• ... that Princess Bamba, the last of the family who ruled the Sikh Empire, was said to have "lived like an alien in her father's kingdom"? Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 20:58, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Colorado State Highway 35

• ... that Colorado State Highway 35 is so short that two interchanges overlap each other? Created by Pzoxicuvybtnrm (talk). Nominated by Pzoxicuvybtnrm (talk) at 20:43, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• Date checks out. The problem is that the DYK checker comes up 696 characters of prose (lists and tables don't count), far short of the 2000 characters minimum. You have several days to expand the new article. Royalbroil 22:46, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• Correction: the DYK requirement is 1500 characters of prose, not 2000. But 696 is too short either way. cmadler (talk) 14:26, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Boekenweek

• ... that during the annual Dutch book week, a book was occasionally published anonymously to let readers guess who the author was?

• Comment: The subject is also of interest because the event is currently being held till March 20, 2010.

Created by Simeon (talk). Self nom at 20:38, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Viajero

• ... that F. Sionil José's (pictured) Viajero (The Wanderer) is a novel about a Filipino boy adopted by an African-American soldier? Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 18:57, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 1: ... that F. Sionil José's (pictured) Viajero (The Wanderer) is considered both a Filipino novel and an American novel? - AnakngAraw (talk) 18:59, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• This image is also used in a nomination higher up; it should only be used once. rʨanaÉ¢ (talk) 16:18, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• Also used lower down. T:TDYK#The God Stealer. Jujutacular ^T · C 22:21, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

2001 Angola train attack

• ... that the 2001 Angola train attack perpetrated by UNITA rebels is currently regarded as the deadliest terrorist attack involving railways ever? Created by De Administrando Imperio (talk). Self nom at 18:39, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that the 2001 Angola train attack perpetrated by UNITA rebels is regarded as the deadliest terrorist attack involving railways? --Rosiestep (talk) 15:12, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Antonio Alice

• ... that Argentine portrait painter Antonio Alice, who was expelled from school for drawing in books, was later awarded the Prix de Rome scholarship? Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 18:35, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Flader J55

• ... that the Flader J55 jet engine used a supersonic compressor in order to achieve small size, which ultimately proved to be beyond the state of the art? Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 16:55, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Twice Blessed

• ... that Twice Blessed is an American Book Award winning novel by Filipino author Ninotchka Rosca? Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 15:39, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• References and citations must be properly formatted. I suggest the use of {{cite}} or the variant {{cite web}}. Lack of reference/citation formatting makes it much more difficult to evaluate them, but it also appears to me that a number of the cited sources are not reliable. cmadler (talk) 14:59, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Chenowth Advanced Light Strike Vehicle

• ... that Chenowth Advanced Light Strike Vehicles were used by United States Navy SEALs in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as during the Gulf War? Created by Chamal N (talk). Self nom at 15:29, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Agrimonia gryposepala

• ... that Agrimonia gryposepala belongs to the rose family Rosaceae but grows in the forest? Created by Glorioussandwich (talk). Nominated by Minimac (talk) at 08:52, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• Why "but"? Many species in Rosaceae are woodland trees (eg those in Sorbus; Prunus etc). Ericoides (talk) 17:34, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• Article is only ~623 characters long. Abductive (reasoning) 21:19, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Ron Gomez

• ... that as a state legislator Ron Gomez, previously the radio voice of the ULL Ragin' Cajuns, worked to build the team stadium, the Cajundome, in Lafayette, Louisiana? Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:41, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

State of War (novel)

• ... that State of War is the debut novel written in 1988 by award-winning Filipino author Ninotchka Rosca? Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 02:54, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• Checks out, but where does a source say the author is "award winning"? -SusanLesch (talk) 04:29, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• Provided reference at State of War (novel) and Ninotchka Rosca articles. Her name was also already listed at American Book Award (1993). - AnakngAraw (talk) 05:04, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
• Verified. (No way would I look at American Book Award to find that. Thank you.) -SusanLesch (talk) 01:32, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Need third opinion here - I am not happy with most references, some statements (State of War was also called as "one of the finest novels of 1988" - by whom? is enotes.com respectable?) and maybe even notability of this novel (most Google hits are from book publishers, who would obviously promote a book they print). Materialscientist (talk) 23:55, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• On a quick glance, the sources linked at Questia and Goliath seem legitimate, though the citations in the article need to be fixed (for example, Questia is a link for a "[j]ournal article by Rocí­o G. Davis; World Literature Today, Vol. 73, 1999", and the citation in the article needs to reflect that; likewise for the article at Goliath). The Enotes, DirectEssays, and Amazon links should be removed as citations entirely, which leaves us without a citation for the hooked fact. Like you, I'm dubious about the notability of this novel. cmadler (talk) 14:48, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on March 12

Siobhan Magnus

• ... that Siobhan Magnus, a current contestant on the ninth season of American Idol, started singing in public during a elementary school concert when she sang Tomorrow from the musical Annie? Created by Ktr101 (talk). Nominated by Ktr101 (talk) at 03:38, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Gustav Storm

• ... that Gustav Storm is regarded one of the most important investigators of primary sources in the science of history in Norway? Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 23:43, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Noncoding DNA

• ... that more than 98% of the human genome is noncoding DNA, sometimes referred to as "junk" DNA? 5x expanded by Scientizzle (talk). Nominated by Scientizzle (talk) at 21:16, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Devil's Brood

• ... that in her novel Devil's Brood author Sharon Kay Penman writes about Eleanor of Aquitaine who is imprisoned by her husband King Henry II of England? Created/expanded by Truthkeeper88 (talk). Nominated by Truthkeeper88 (talk) at 01:07, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• Date and length OK. The only online citation for the imprisonment that I can see is a blog - unless I've missed something. The main ref for the imprisonment is offline. So I'm accepting the offline citation AGF.--Storye book (talk) 11:13, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

1901 Michigan Wolverines football team

• ... that Michigan's 1901 "Point-a-Minute" team (pictured), rated one of the greatest college football teams of all time, outscored its opponents 550-0 and beat Stanford 49-0 in the first Rose Bowl game? 5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Nominated by Cbl62 (talk) at 19:49, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date and image all check out. But it's difficult to verify all the points in the hook as it's a complex article, and those online links which I accessed did not bear out the hook, apart from the 550-0. One of the online citation links is broken. So please could you copy the hook into the header, with all the appropriate citations alongside? If you let me know on my talk page when you done it (quote name of article), I can then update the review. Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 10:57, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Confederate war finance

• ... that more than 60% of the Confederacy's war finance came from printing money, which, along with bad military news, caused prices to increase 92 times over (pictured) in the South during the American Civil War?

• ALT1:... that one of the ways that the Confederacy financed their military effort during the American Civil War was by issuing money which paid interest?
• Comment: Maybe "92 times over" should be replaced by "by 9200%". Alt image for first hook could be the Confederate money (after "printing money" in the hook). An image for the alt hook could be the Confederate dollar stamped to indicate that interest had been paid. Other hooks can be generated from the article.

Created by Radeksz (talk). Nominated by Radeksz (talk) at 12:04, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• Here's an image of a Confederate banknote -- as an alternative to the graph. (This particular file is not in the article, but the image is in the in the article as part of a composite file that includes two banknotes.) --Orlady (talk) 14:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
• Comment: I say add the image with the two notes. --293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 07:58, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm fine with any of that. The two note image is nice (though I always like graphs - but that's just me).radek (talk) 15:46, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Exidia glandulosa

• ! black witches' butter (pictured) is a wood-decay fungus that loosens the bark of its host by disintegrating the vascular cambium? 5x expanded by RunningClam (talk), Sasata (talk). Nominated by Sasata (talk) at 06:19, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length, and refs are good. Great picture! Millifolium (talk) 06:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Piercebridge, Piercebridge Roman Fort

• ... that there is an ancient Roman fort partly underneath the village green at Piercebridge (pictured) in County Durham?

• ALT2:... that Piercebridge Roman Fort is partly underneath Piercebridge village green (pictured) in County Durham?
• Comment: These two were both expanded on 12 March and were nominated separately; then I realised they might work better together as a double DYK.

5x expanded by Storye book (talk). Nominated by Storye book (talk) at 10:35, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• Update: In response to someone kindly installing the DYK length-check gadget for me a few hours ago, I have now checked and corrected the length of Piercebridge Roman Fort, so that both the above noms are now at sufficient 5x expanded length.--Storye book (talk) 11:17, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Ridgeway Hill Viking burial pit

• ... that 51 Scandinavian Vikings were killed in a mass execution by Anglo-Saxons near Weymouth, Dorset and interred in the Ridgeway Hill Viking burial pit some time between AD 910 and 1030? Created and self-nominated by ChrisO (talk) 10:15, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• "...although Oxford Archaeology project manager David Score noted, that without analysis of all of the bodies, it was impossible to know for certain that all the decapitated men were Vikings.

Villiers High School

• ... that 92% of students at the West-London Villiers High School do not speak English as their native language, and some of them come from war zones? Created by Cubic22 (talk), SpacemanSpiff (talk), and Drmies (talk). Nominated by Drmies (talk) at 05:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• Hey, all you nice and smart folks at DYK, help me out here. I'm inclined to remove the entire "and some of them..." phrase--it's not very elegant, and the hook becomes nice and short. But what I'm concerned with is that the resulting hook may sound--callous? judgmental? when in reality the school seems to be doing pretty good. Your suggestions are appreciated. All you hookwriters and -editors: Materialscientist? Dravecky? Ucucha? Or the God of DYK, Alansohn? Drmies (talk) 21:05, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I see what you mean. Here a possible less "callous" sounding hook:

• ALT1: ... that English is not the first language of 92% of students at West-London's Villiers High School?

Let me know what you think. Jujutacular ^T · C 22:12, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

To me, that sounds like English is the first language of the windows but not of the doors. Ucucha 00:02, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Changing it into "... 92% of students at West-London's ..." would solve that problem, though. Ucucha 00:04, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

That sounds good to me. Thanks to both. Speaking of sounds, both of you are overdoing it on the U sounds in your user name--lighten up a bit, will ya. Drmies (talk) 03:54, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll make a request at CHU immediately :) Jujutacular ^T · C 00:10, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

for ref fact when you agree. I'd suggest "one in ten children speak English as their first language at ..." Victuallers (talk) 13:52, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Piercebridge

• ... that Piercebridge was the site of a battle in the English Civil War? 5x expanded by Storye book (talk). Nominated by Storye book (talk) at 22:14, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• This article has also been nominated as a double DYK (see nomination above, in same 12 March section)

Citadel of Damascus

• ... that the Citadel of Damascus (pictured) in Syria is unusual in that it was built on flat ground, at the same level of the rest of the city of Damascus, instead of being placed on the top of a hill? 5x expanded by Zozo2kx (talk) and Zoeperkoe (talk). Self nom at 20:11, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• added image, but if hook is too long now, just leave it out. Zoeperkoe (talk) 00:48, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that the Citadel of Damascus (pictured) in Syria was built on flat ground, at the same level as the rest of the city of Damascus, instead of on the top of a hill? --Rosiestep (talk) 15:40, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Works for me. Yazan (talk) 16:53, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• I prefer ALT1. It's not entirely unusual for castles to be built on level ground. -- P 1 9 9 - TALK 12:41, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• In Syria its location is unusual, actually, and that's also what the reference to the hook says. How about:

ALT2 ... that the location of the Citadel of Damascus (pictured) on flat ground is unusual because castles in Syria were usually built on the top of a hill? Zoeperkoe (talk) 16:03, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Piercebridge Roman Fort

• ... that the Victorians scavenged carved stones from Piercebridge Roman Fort when they built St Mary's church at Gainford, County Durham in 1855? 5x expanded by Storye book (talk). Nominated by Storye book (talk) at 18:32, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 1:... that the Victorians scavenged carved stones from Piercebridge Roman Fort to build part of St Mary's church at Gainford, County Durham in 1855?

• This article has also been nominated as a double DYK (see nomination above, in same 12 March section)

Paro Taktsang

• ... that the nickname of Paro Taktsang (pictured) in Bhutan, "The Tiger's Nest", derives from the legend which tells that Padmasambhava founded a meditation cave there after travelling on a tigress? 5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Himalayan Explorer (talk). Nominated by Himalayan Explorer (talk) at 18:21, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• Img of Paro Taktsang added.--Nvvchar (talk) 23:51, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length and hook check out.--Storye book (talk) 09:28, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Leslie Barrett

• ... that Leslie Barrett was both a Shakespearean actor and the founder of a mime theatre? Created by Cryptic C62 (talk). Self nom at 05:04, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

The theatre was the American Mime Theatre if anyone wants to try for a double hook. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 05:04, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• Date and length OK. Both elements of the hook are supported by an offline citation. Accepted AGF.--Storye book (talk) 09:06, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 11

Palace of Omurtag

• ... that the Palace of Omurtag, an archaeological site in northeastern Bulgaria, includes the episcopal see of an Arian Gothic bishop besides a medieval Bulgarian fort? Created by TodorBozhinov (talk). Nominated by TodorBozhinov (talk) at 09:10, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that earlier ruins at the Palace of Omurtag medieval Bulgarian archaeological site include an octagonal building likened to the Mausoleum of Theodoric in Ravenna and four Arian Gothic churches?
• ALT2: ... that according to the Chatalar Inscription, the Palace of Omurtag in northeastern Bulgaria was decorated with four columns and two lion sculptures? Todor→Bozhinov 09:17, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

GCV Infantry Fighting Vehicle

• that the GCV Infantry Fighting Vehicle (logo pictured) is planned to be the first U.S. Military vehicle to have a weapon suite with non-lethal weapons? Created by Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (talk). Self nom at 00:43, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• • There is nothing in the article which says that this is the first US Military vehicle to have non-lethal weapons. Do you have a source that says this is the first? Also, the hook should say "is planned to" instead of "will" as this vehicle is still five years away from prototype and there's no way to know what it may have in the end. New Hampshirite (talk) 01:53, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

This source says it will be the first tactical vehicle with a less lethal weapon. Other strategic vehicles in the US Military, such as recovery vehicles, refueling vehicles, and transporters might have less lethal weapons but I've never heard of it before. I can manually check the weapon suites of other U.S. Military vehicles if you want me to. Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (talk) 19:59, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Room & Board

• ... that House Beautiful magazine chose a blue velvet chair sold by Room & Board to leave in Manhattan, free for the taking? Created by SusanLesch (talk). Nominated by SusanLesch (talk) at 23:33, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• All ok, though hook is difficult to parse. Ceoil ^sláinte 16:22, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• And sorry it isn't very international. -SusanLesch (talk) 02:57, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• Trying an ALT1. ... that the home decorating magazine House Beautiful left in Manhattan-for anyone who wanted it-a blue velvet chair sold by Room & Board?

Sorry for being rude (just asking questions which will likely fall onto our heads later), but I don't understand the main hook, the alt hook, why this company is notable, and why this nom isn't a promotion of that company. Materialscientist (talk) 07:28, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Materialscientist. Good question. I suppose it is promotion of a company. I rescued this article from deletion, and think if Wikipedia has an article about Pottery Barn (and other commercial entities) then we should have this one too. The hook was just a cool fact that I happened to find in The New York Times. I don't mind switching hooks or pulling this nomination if you'd like me to. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:52, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT2: that for Room & Board, designer Vladimir Kagan built a facsimile of his sofa that Christie's had sold for $190,000?

List of historical opera characters

• ... that Marilyn Monroe, Vincent van Gogh, Jack the Ripper, Sarah Palin, Hillary Rodham Clinton, Ivan the Terrible, Henry VIII of England and three of his wives, Albert Einstein, Frédéric Chopin, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Nikola Tesla, Marcel Proust, Attila the Hun, Brigitte Bardot, Saint Francis of Assisi and Joan of Arc are just some of the many historical people who have appeared as characters in opera? Created by JackofOz (talk). Self nom at 11:17, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Several problems: List of historical opera characters does not appear anywhere in the hook; the hook is too long; the article has no inline citations; the article has under 900 characters of prose (even though DYKcheck says 29195). --Bruce1ee^talk 12:26, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Chee Kung Tong Society Building

• ... that the back of the lintel of the gate (pictured) to the Chee Kung Tong Society Building once mentioned, delineated in Chinese, Everyone is equal? Created by 293.xx.xxx.xx (talk). Self nom at 03:36, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• What does "once mentioned" mean in this context? Does "delineated" mean "signified"?--Wetman (talk) 15:46, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Nothing personal, but did you even look at the picture or click the link? That aside, upon reading it again, it does sound abit clunky. Hmmmm.--293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 18:10, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that as you leave the Chee Kung Tong Society Building grounds, a lintel (faded remains pictured) once proclaimed, in Chinese, Everyone is Equal? --293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 04:10, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Almond Blossom Cross Country

• ... that the almond tree's white blossom that appears each spring (pictured) was the inspiration for the name of the annual Almond Blossom Cross Country? Created by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Self nom at 02:40, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Date and length check out, but citation link for hook is a blacklisted link. Could you find an alternative valid online link for the citation - or an alternative hook with verifiable citation?--Storye book (talk) 17:02, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• • I spent a good half an hour trying to find a better cite but I found nothing. The site is blacklisted for spam reasons, but the linked article has obvious value for the article. The problem is a strange one: the reason is so obvious that no other sources seemed bothered to state the obvious! What can I do? Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)^{Join WikiProject Athletics!} 17:06, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• I'd recommend an alternative hook, which will allow you to find a proper citation.--Storye book (talk) 19:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• I don't really see how this isn't a "proper citation". I've added a hyperlink from tinyurl instead. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)^{Join WikiProject Athletics!} 14:21, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• Or maybe not as that's blacklisted too! Let us pursue with the less elegant hook of:

• ... that the Almond Blossom Cross Country was created by the District of Faro and the Portuguese tourist board to promote sport and tourism in the area?

• In fact, that is boring. Perhaps we should just forget about this? Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)^{Join WikiProject Athletics!} 14:26, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Knut Kleve

• ... that Knut Kleve is known for his restoration of papyrus fragments? 5x expanded by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 00:27, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• How about: ... Knut Kleve, known for his restoration of papyrus fragments, learned Latin while incarcerated in a Nazi concentration camp? I think that makes it more interesting.--Carabinieri (talk) 01:59, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks for evaluating the hook, and suggesting a revised alternative. I like your suggestion, and either hook is fine with me. Oceanh (talk) 22:15, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant

• ... that the well-known expression Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant was probably never a gladiators' salute, but a plea for mercy by men condemned to execution by acting out a naval battle?

• ALT1:... that the one time we know of Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant being used in the Roman arena, their response so upset the emperor that he ran around the lake pleading with the condemned men to fight?
• ALT2:... that the one time we know of the salute Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant being used in the Roman arena, their response so upset the emperor that he ran around the lake pleading with the condemned men to fight?

5x expanded by FT2 (talk). Self nom at 00:06, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

lots of different wordings discussed...

(Note: ALT2 critically states it was a salute compared to ALT1. But it's 8 characters over when rendered. Any scope to trim it? - FT2) I like the idea of ALT2 better, it invokes a nice image. But it seems grammatically backwards. Maybe ALT3: "... that after receiving the salute Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant from a group of condemned, Roman emperor Claudius ran around a lake entreating them to fight?" BTW, great work on the article! --Stephan Schulz (talk) 00:21, 12 March 2010 (UTC) A useful idea, re-ordering it. How about a synthesis, ALT4: "... that the only known time the salute Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant was given by condemned men, Roman emperor Claudius was so upset by their response he ran around a lake entreating them to fight?" Also within length and makes clear the key encyclopedic point - it is only known to have been recorded once in history. I like this one. FT2 (Talk | email) 02:18, 12 March 2010 (UTC) Yes, better. Two minor problems. It's the only time the salute was given, not just by condemned men, and they did not respond to it, but to Claudius' first response. Another synthesis: ALT5: "... that the only known time the salute Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant was given, Roman emperor Claudius was so upset by the fighters performance that he ran around a lake entreating them to fight?" 200 chars rendered, including the "..." and the "?". --Stephan Schulz (talk) 10:46, 12 March 2010 (UTC) Closing in on it I think. It wasn't their "performance" but their response to his reply, which is awkward to express. Try ALT6 which might fix it: "... that the only known time fighters saluted Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant, Roman emperor Claudius was so upset at their wish to avoid battle that he ran around a lake entreating them to fight?" I'd like to make "fighters saluted" into "that fighters saluted", or "fighters saluted with", but its 2 chars over. Note though the extra space ("...<spc>that") What's a nice single word for "wish to avoid battle"? FT2 (Talk | email) 11:47, 12 March 2010 (UTC) Hmmm. We can lose the "Roman" - emperor Claudius is enough. That gives us 6 chars to play with. "wish to avoid battle" could go into "lack of fighting spirit" or "lack of fighting". "Fighting" is better than "battle", as it's not a real battle, I think. I also think the original "pleading with" procured a more vivid image for me. But what about: "... that the only known time arena fighters saluted Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant, the battle was so lackluster that emperor Claudius ran around a lake pleading with the men to fight?" Short enough that we can even squeeze in "Roman again". Or go with "the performance" instead of "the battle", i.e.: ALT7: "... that the only known time arena fighters saluted Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant, the performance was so lackluster that Roman emperor Claudius ran around a lake pleading with the men to fight?"--Stephan Schulz (talk) 12:34, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Lacklustre doesn't work for me. Two options:

• "... that the only known time fighters saluted Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant, Roman emperor Claudius...

ALT8 "...was so upset at their refusal to kill that he ran around a lake pleading with the men to fight?"

ALT9 "...had to run around a lake pleading and threatening before the men would fight?"

(Just noticed the original page was wrongly titled as well as incorrect, hence page moved from "Ave Caesar..." to the original source text's "Ave Imperator...") FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 02:20, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

New problem: I like both new suggestions equally and cannot decide which to prefer ;-). Very good! --Stephan Schulz (talk) 09:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

"Had to run" might carry a certain hook that "ran" doesn't, and "was so upset [...] refusal to kill" does too. FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 14:03, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Can some third party please do the verification? Everything looks good to me now... --Stephan Schulz (talk) 09:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Nice and hooky and all that, but the running around is only according to Suetonius. The other writers don't mention it. Verified as far as it goes though (there's probably some tick graphic for that, feel free to add it on my behalf). Yomangani^talk 16:44, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Yomangani's quite right; making the Caesars look ridiculous was a hobby and delight for Suetonius; we're a few miles from the realm of facts here but I can see no problem with this if the hook acknowledges its source. Haploidavey (talk) 00:38, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 10

Hungry Bentley

• ... that Hungry Bentley is said to have that name because of poor food?

• Comment: alts welcome
• note - moved back from April Fools

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 18:29, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Jimmy Sexton

• ... that in 1975, professional baseball player Jimmy Sexton led the Texas League in stolen bases with 48? 5x expanded by Halvorsen brian (talk). Self nom at 21:45, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Corrected tense: lead -> led. Here and in the article. Jujutacular ^T · C 22:14, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Ah yes, my mistake. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 03:05, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

R v Burgess

• In R v Burgess, it was determined that sleepwalking can be a form of insanity by the Court of Appeal of England and Wales? Created by LittleT889 (talk). Self nom at 23:34, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• Article lacks inline citations.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:00, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Canigou Cambrai

• ... that Canigou Cambrai was the first English Cocker Spaniel to be best in show at Crufts for 46 years? Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 22:54, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• Many of the sources in the article seem somewhat questionable as far as their reliability is concerned. The fact in the hook, for example, is from pubquizhelp.com.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:06, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Swapped out the reference with an alternative, however it's in Icelandic. For some reason Crufts don't seem to host a simple list of winners on their website. Miyagawa (talk) 12:06, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Frank T. Johns

• ... that Frank T. Johns, Presidential nominee of the Socialist Labor Party, died trying to rescue a drowning boy following his first speech of the 1928 campaign? 5x expanded by Carrite (talk). Self nom at 19:19, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• The hook doesn't mention what country it is talking about. I'm also a little concerned that the article is mostly based on the guy's own party's convention minutes.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:09, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

San Bartolo Coyotepec

• ... that San Bartolo Coyotepec, Mexico has a married priest? 5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 18:58, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• It might be a good idea to write a "married Roman Catholic priest" since this wouldn't be unusual for other religions.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:13, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
• Mexico ought to be linked too, and consider linking "married Roman Catholic priest" to clerical marriage. Todor→Bozhinov 14:38, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• It is questionable if he is a Roman Catholic priest since the Church no longer recognizes him as such.Thelmadatter (talk) 15:54, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Underwater Archaeology Branch, Naval History & Heritage Command

• ... that the Underwater Archaeology Branch has been involved in research on  H. L. Hunley and CSS Alabama, and the search for USS Bonhomme Richard? Created by Leachers1987 (talk). Nominated by Ukexpat (talk) at 16:54, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• The article is almost completely based on a Navy website and not on secondary sources.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• The page has been updated with 7 separate outside sources including four published sources. Leachers1987 (talk) 20:42, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Need one citation per paragraph. A number of paragraphs are lacking one.Thelmadatter (talk) 15:31, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Comment: Leachers1987 has been adding them. OK now? - ukexpat (talk) 14:37, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

John Evan Thomas (1810 - 1873)

• ... that Welsh sculptor John Evan Thomas was so often confused with English sculptor John Thomas that the authorities removed English Thomas's statue Boadicea to Wales, damaging it en route before it was realised that the statue was not Welsh Thomas's work? 5x expanded by Storye book (talk). Nominated by Storye book (talk) at 11:53, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 1 (in case the first hook is too long ): ... that two plaster maquettes made by sculptor John Evan Thomas for House of Lords bronzes have just been found in Westgate, Canterbury after being hidden in a tower for 100 years?--Storye book (talk) 08:52, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• If this is accepted for DYK, please also credit User:Victorianaesthete who created the page on 9 March 2010. Thank you.--Storye book (talk) 08:52, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 2 (shorter version of original hook): ... that Welsh sculptor John Evan Thomas was so often confused with English sculptor John Thomas that the Englishman's statue Boadicea was moved to Wales before it was realised it was not the Welshman's work? -- EdJogg (talk) 01:13, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 2 is fine by me.--Storye book (talk) 10:16, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• I've just realised it's not a 5x expansion, so please accept the nomination as creation by User:Victorianaesthete on 9 March - that one is still valid.--Storye book (talk) 09:01, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Binding selectivity

• ... that binding selectivity is of major importance in pharmacology and in chemical separation processes. 5x expanded by User:Petergans (talk). Self nom at 11:16, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

The hook needs to contain a wikilink to the article. Stonemason89 (talk) 15:52, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Done Calmer Waters 17:30, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

"is of major importance" is kind of vague. Also, there are unreferenced paragraphs in the article.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:21, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Both of these observations arise out of the fact that this article presents an over-view of a very broad topic. Each section has a general reference. References are not given for topics covered in detail in the {{main}} links. Petergans (talk) 07:50, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 9

Aiphanes minima

• ... that the discovery of a population of smaller, less spiny palms in Dominica has led to speculation that Aiphanes minima may not be the only species of Aiphanes on that island nation in the Caribbean? 5x expanded by Guettarda (talk). Nominated by Guettarda (talk) at 17:58, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Colleen LaRose

• ... that Colleen LaRose, also known as "JihadJane", was living in suburban Pennsylvania when she was arrested for recruiting Islamic terrorists and plotting the murder of Swedish artist Lars Vilks? Created/expanded by Andycjp (talk) and Epeefleche (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 14:31, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Nancy Nathanson

• ... that Oregon House Representative Nancy Nathanson ran for mayor of Eugene, Oregon, and eventually lost in the primary election to current mayor Kitty Piercy? Created by Halvorsen brian (talk). Self nom at 22:13, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Bad (Michael Jackson song)

• ... that Michael Jackson's 1987 "Bad" single was originally intended to be a duet between Jackson and Prince? 5x expanded by Crystal Clear x3 (talk). Self nom at 21:46, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Not quite a 5x expansion yet. The article had 3337 characters of readable prose on 25 February and now has 10927 characters, a 3.27x expansion. You'll need to expand to at least 16685 characters before it's eligible. -- BigDom 22:05, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

I've just added an expansion on the article, does my recent editions to the article consist of a 5x expansion now? Thanks, Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 02:10, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• It's now 14770 characters, and you still need to expand to 16685.--Storye book (talk) 19:59, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

What A Guy!

• ... that What A Guy! is a gag cartoon created in 1987 by Bill Hoest & John Reiner, the team responsible for The Lockhorns? Created by Dravecky (talk). Self nom at 23:05, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• I don't really see what's unusual about this fact. Couldn't something more interesting be found.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:27, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that What A Guy!, a gag cartoon created in 1987, continued for 8 years after writer Bill Hoest's death using a mix of his jokes and new gags written by his widow, Bunny Hoest? - Dravecky (talk) 14:27, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Robert Kennedy in Palestine (1948)

• ... that in 1948 in one of his reports from Palestine Robert Kennedy (pictured) wrote "The Jews with their backs to the sea, fighting for their very homes...On the other hand, the Arabs say:Religious Crusade"? Created by Mbz1 (talk) and George (talk) Self nom at 16:50, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• Currently up for AfD. I've expressed my opinion there. Gatoclass (talk) 16:01, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

You sure did. You called Robert Kennedy writings "rant", and have chosen to ignore at least three reliable sources for the hooks only. --Mbz1 (talk) 16:15, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Currently uncertain whether this one will survive the AfD or not, but numerous editors have expressed concerns about the article's lack of neutrality including myself, and I don't see the problems being resolved quickly. Therefore I am opposing promotion of this one, regardless of whether it survives the AfD or not. Gatoclass (talk) 05:17, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

It is incorrect to say the least. Tiamut, who added POV tag, has agreed to remove it, and it was removed from the article. The only reason of you comment is I just do not like it. It is the time to stop the insinuations, isn't it? If you'd like to continue constructive discussion about so called "the article's lack of neutrality" I invite you to share your concerns at the article's discussion page, where it belongs. --Mbz1 (talk) 16:34, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

It's not an "insinuation" to express the view that an article is POV, it is part of one's responsibility as a wikipedian to do so where appropriate. I don't know what Tiamut's view is, but that's her affair, I am of the view that the article is still POV and I have a right to express that view as much as anyone else.

Should the article survive the AfD, I may indeed propose some changes on the talk page or even make some changes myself. Until that time however, I am not inclined to waste my time trying to fix an article that may soon be deleted. But in any case I am under no obligation to try and NPOV articles proposed for DYK, that is the responsibility of the article creator and if you fail to do so, that really isn't my problem. Gatoclass (talk) 22:30, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

And BTW, it is not the case that Tiamut agrees the article is now NPOV, she only said she would stop adding the tag since you keep removing it. But she clearly still has concerns about the article, as expressed in her last post at the talk page, here. Certainly, I would tag the article myself except that would make me responsible for trying to fix it, and that's not a responsibility I am inclined to take on right now. Gatoclass (talk) 22:41, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Half of the truth is not the truth, you know. She said: "...and you've made an effort to improve it, so I won't replace it for now. I may return to the issue with more specific concerns in the future though." (highlighted by me), but so far she did not. Once again it is not the right place to discuss the neutrality of the article. I understand you do not want "to waste your time trying to fix an article that may soon be deleted. " Then may I please ask you to stop wasting your and mine time here?--Mbz1 (talk) 23:54, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Half of the truth is not the truth

Quite, but perhaps you should have taken your own advice before implying that Tiamut now approves of the article. As for time wasting, seems to me you are the one who has wasted a great deal of everyone's time by writing an article that was immediately nominated for AfD on the basis of numerous apparent inadequacies, and which others have had to spend a considerable amount of time trying to rectify, so I hardly think you are in a position to accuse others of this particular vice. And finally in regard to your other comment, while this is not a venue for discussing particular problems in an article, it is certainly appropriate to note that an article may have problems which exclude it from promotion, without which we would not have a DYK process at all. Gatoclass (talk) 00:56, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Tra-ta-tra-ta-tra-tttt. Would you please stop lying as right now? I said "Tiamut, who added POV tag, has agreed to remove it, and it was removed from the article". Where did I say "Tiamut now approves of the article?" The article was nominated for deletion by a very biased user, who lied in the deletion request, and I could prove it. Now, I consider your statements about the article to be a discrimination against my English and my writing skills. Stop it!--Mbz1 (talk) 01:44, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

So having already accused me of bad faith with the WP:IDONTLIKEIT comment, you are now accusing both myself and others of lying because they disagree with you? Sorry, but you are not doing your case any favours at all with such attacks. But for the record, I repudiate the charge that I "lied" about anything. Quite frankly, I think that if anyone has misrepresented the facts in this discussion, you have. You claimed Tiamut "agreed to remove the tag", when all she really did was acquiesce in your repeated removal of it, while expressing continued concerns about the article. You implied I was the only one with NPOV concerns about the article, when a look at the AfD page shows that numerous editors have expressed similar concerns.

Obviously, you are irritated that I have opposed promotion of this article. But misstating the facts in order to mount baseless personal attacks is not going to help your cause. Gatoclass (talk) 02:51, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I will never ever ever accuse anybody in lying because we disagree. If I stated something like that, it means I could confirm it with many evidences. Please take your concerns about my "personal attacks" to any board of your choice, and I will easily prove that I had rather good reasons to say what I said, and now please stop it.--Mbz1 (talk) 05:42, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Um, sorry, but calling someone a liar is transparently a personal attack and there can be no dispute about that. And claiming you have "many evidences" that I am a liar is just digging the hole deeper. I'm not going to report you to a noticeboard about these attacks because I can't be bothered with the wikidrama, nor would I want to burden the community with such nonsense, but what I can do is remind you that if you persist in trying to personalize disputes, it will only be a matter of time before you find yourself sanctioned for such behaviour. Gatoclass (talk) 06:12, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I did not accused you in a bad faith. You did, when you first called the article "a rant", and then accused me that I made Kennedy "sound like a cheerleader for Zionism". Guess what, Kennedy was a strong supporter of Israel. Please see that pro-Arab book page 651. It clearly states that for Kennedy Jews were good, and Arabs were bad. I assure I had no influence on Robert Kennedy at all. It is his words, that you just do not like.--Mbz1 (talk) 06:36, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, and I withdrew that remark as soon as you complained, as I realized it was potentially offensive. But it seems you are still hanging onto it. Just one more thing you are apparently not prepared to WP:AGF about. Gatoclass (talk) 09:13, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

No it is not appropriate to note "that an article may have problems which exclude it from promotion, without which we would not have a DYK process at all." not without providing any example from the article anyway , and not without adding to that statemnet of yours "In my opinion".--Mbz1 (talk) 02:04, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I already stated what I felt was wrong with the article at the AfD. But for your benefit, I will repeat those concerns here. Firstly, the article consists almost entirely of quotes from Kennedy's articles, which in this case are a primary rather than secondary source. Secondly, it entirely excludes the commentary about these articles from the available secondary sources. Thirdly, the commentary about Kennedy's assassination is WP:COATRACK. Finally, secondary sourcing for this article is extremely thin, to the point that its viability as a standalone article is questionable (a position held by numerous contributors at the AfD). So hopefully now it is clear to you and anyone else what my objections to this article are. Gatoclass (talk) 03:01, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

The quote from the article: "Sirhan happened to see a documentary about Kennedy in Palestine in 1948. Later in his murder trial Sirhan Sirhan testified: "...I hoped he will win Presidency until that moment. But when I saw, heard, he was supporting Israel, sir, not in 1968, but he was supporting, it from all the way from its inception in 1948, sir..."" page 658 page 103. Otherwise, if the article survives Afd, may I please ask a closing admin to check out the "thin" sources and external links in the article itself. Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 05:29, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Comment whatever the result of the deletion request, the DYK hook is very biased and out of context. You can change it , as a bare minimum to have some sort of neutrality to "The Jews with their backs to the sea, fighting for their very homes, will accept no compromise....On the other hand, the Arabs shall crush forever the invader [... and] carry on the fight". The Jews are seen by the Arabs as invaders, that's why they say that...--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 15:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll think about other hook, if the article will not get deleted. Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 05:31, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Bikini Barista

• ... that bikini baristas can found mixing up coffee drinks all over the Seattle area? Created by Milowent (talk). Self nom at 15:38, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: "Mixing up" as in "confusing" and therefore a comment on their intellectual abilities or just "mixing"?! "Making" is probably better. - ukexpat (talk) 17:23, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Haha. There are anecdotes in the news coverage about the coffee not being the best at some places, but yes, I agree that "making" would be better.--Milowent (talk) 20:16, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Unless you hold this for April Fool's Day (where I think it would fit nicely), in which case the first phrasing is more fun.--Arxiloxos (talk) 21:53, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Moved article from "Bikini Barista" to "Bikini barista", and changed capitalization in the hook proposal. I like the idea of using this on 4/1. cmadler (talk) 13:24, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

4-1 is fine by me! And thanks for fixing the capitalization.--Milowent (talk) 13:52, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

British Hero of the Holocaust

... that at 100 years old, Sir Nicholas Winton was named a British Hero of the Holocaust, an award otherwise given as a posthumous recognition of British Holocaust rescuers? Created by MickMacNee (talk). Self nom at 22:47, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

• The hook is not quite accurate in claiming "otherwise given"; what about "Denis Avey aged 91" as cited in the lede? Ericoides (talk) 17:02, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

(alt)

... that at 100 years old, Sir Nicholas Winton was named a British Hero of the Holocaust?

for cut down hook Victuallers (talk) 19:25, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• I can't think of anything better given Ericoides' observation, but the original idea of the hook was to point out the fact it was mostly posthumous contrasting it with his age, so if anyone has a short way of making it more accurate...., otherwise, I guess its the shorter one suggested by Victuallers.... MickMacNee (talk) 22:03, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• "Mainly" or "more usually" rather than "otherwise" may be appropriate. Actually I think most readers would appreciate the correlation between posthumous and the age of your subject matter, without any 'nudge' in the precise wording. My 90 year old mother-in-law spent her early married life in the Channel Islands under German occupation - so this subject matter strikes a real chord with me. Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:56, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• I originally suggested "usually" but then crossed it out when I realised this was a one-off award, which makes "usually" or "mainly" somewhat meaningless. What about:
• ALT2 ...... that at 100 years old, Sir Nicholas Winton is one of only two living British Heroes of the Holocaust? Ericoides (talk) 08:08, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• I've drawn a total blank here. I honestly cannot think of anything exciting for a hook that highlights what I originally intended. I suggest two options - if the hook is selected with the image, then we go with:

• ALT3 ...... that at 100 years old, Sir Nicholas Winton (pictured) was named one of the British Heroes of the Holocaust for organising the London to Prague Winton Trains?

• and if the image is not included, then:

• ALT3 ...... that for their Holocaust rescue efforts, the one-off British Hero of the Holocaust medal was awarded in March 2010 to Sir Nicholas Winton, 100, and Denis Avey, 91, and to twenty-five others posthumously?

• MickMacNee (talk) 05:06, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Lars Aspeflaten

• ... that later politician and barrister Lars Aspeflaten was a personal bodyguard of the acting Norwegian Director of Public Prosecutions in 1945? 5x expanded by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 22:45, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

What Is a Man Without a Moustache?

• ... that a film critic for The New York Times referred to the story in the Croatian film What Is a Man Without a Moustache? as "the pleasant pointless of it all"?

• ALT1:... that a film critic for The New York Times described the Croatian film What Is a Man Without a Moustache? as "pleasant" and "pointless" in the same sentence? Created by Big Bird (talk). Self nom at 21:16, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

SongMeanings

• ... that the music website SongMeanings was created after its founder was inspired by a debate surrounding the meaning behind music group Ben Folds Five's song "Brick"? Created by Gary King (talk). Nominated by Gary King (talk) at 20:51, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Captain Bill McDonald

• ... that Captain Bill McDonald of the Texas Rangers served as a bodyguard for political rivals Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson in 1905 and 1912, respectively? Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Nominated by Billy Hathorn (talk) at 20:48, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT:... that Captain Bill McDonald of the Texas Rangers, as a youth during the Reconstruction era in Texas, was tried and acquitted of treason?

• Both verified. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 13:01, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Solar Turbines

• ... that today's Solar Turbines got its start in the gas turbine industry due to its expertise in high-temperature metallurgy learned by building 300,000 exhaust manifolds in World War II? Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 15:39, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Point Lonsdale Lighthouse

• ... that Point Lonsdale Lighthouse's foghorn shed is the only one known from a Victorian lighthouse? Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 13:23, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

May Day Eve

• ! that Nick Joaquin's "May Day Eve" is a short story about a couple who got married because of an incantation recited in front of a mirror? Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 00:59, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

I am not sure about this, but I have also bolded the "married" part linked to Marriage and wedding customs in the Philippines. I am reverting/cancelling my withdrawal of the nom for Marriage and wedding customs in the Philippines on March 4, 2010. But I originally nominated/suggested it on 28, 2010 (See history here) If not, you may debold it, as you wish. But I hope this will be reconsidered. Thank you. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:59, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

The purpose is to create a double-nom in good faith. - AnakngAraw (talk) 01:07, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

• Since the problems, which kept the marriage article from being accepted in the frist place still persist, I do think it should be de-bolded.--Carabinieri (talk) 13:15, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 8

Bamba Mí¼ller

• ... that Bamba Mí¼ller (pictured) was the "Cinderella" chosen when a Prince asked for a wife?

• Help and alts welcome Victuallers (talk) 08:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
• nb This has been moved back from April Fools Victuallers (talk) 17:54, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 18:29, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Sven Moren, Noregs Ungdomslag

• ... that Sven Moren was a popular speaker, and chaired the cultural society Noregs Ungdomslag for two periods? Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 23:12, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Falkuša

• ... that the sailboat falkuÅ¡a raced in the oldest fishermen's regatta in Europe, held from 1593 to 1936 in Komiža, on the island of Vis, Croatia? Created by GregorB (talk), Sir Floyd (talk), Grifter72 (talk). Self nom at 21:10, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

List of National Historic Landmarks in Missouri

• ... that the USS Inaugural is the only National Historic Landmark in Missouri to have had its status as an NHL withdrawn? 5x expanded by Fetchcomms (talk). Self nom at 23:54, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Laryngeal cleft

• ... that around 1 in 10,000 to 20,000 births have a laryngeal cleft, meaning that they have a gap between the oesophagus and trachea, which allows food or fluid to pass into the airway? Created by Belovedfreak (talk). Nominated by Carabinieri (talk) at 19:06, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT }}... that around 1 in every 10,000 to 20,000 babies are born with a laryngeal cleft, a gap between the oesophagus and trachea which allows food or fluid to pass into the airway? Abductive (reasoning) 04:34, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• I've moved this to the right date of creation, as I had duplicated it not seeing it nominated above.--BelovedFreak 17:21, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Pyridoxamine

• ... that pyridoxamine, a vitamer of vitamin B6, is being tested in clinical trials for the treatment of diabetic nephropathy? 5x expanded by Scientizzle (talk). Nominated by Scientizzle (talk) at 17:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Pretty Baby....

• ... that "Pretty Baby...." is the first soap opera episode to feature just a single character? 5x expanded by AnemoneProjectors (talk). Self nom at 00:17, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: Although this is new, I've listed it as an expansion, since part of the reception section was lifted from Dot Branning. However, User:Frickative calculated the exact amount of expansion, which was apparently 12 words over a 5x expansion! anemoneprojectors talk 00:17, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• According to the cited source, it was "the first time in British soap history" that this was done. No claim is made regarding soaps in other countries. I've updated the article and the hook with this clarification. cmadler (talk) 13:38, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• I've changed the source to one saying "This was a first for a soap". anemoneprojectors talk 14:39, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Barro negro pottery

• ... that the color of barro negro or black clay pottery comes from the properties of the clay and not from painting? 5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 19:41, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Almost. Was at 1470 before expansion and current at 6221 characters of prose. Need 7350 to meet 5x. Calmer Waters 03:03, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

I should have it now. Thelmadatter (talk) 19:19, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

7282. I have decapped Barro Negro; correct me if I'm wrong. Materialscientist (talk) 12:59, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Dang, I cant find more informtion.... up to you guys if you want to let it slide. Yes it should be decapped.Thelmadatter (talk) 23:35, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Grace, Replaced

• ... that "Grace, Replaced", the Will & Grace episode, attracted its highest ratings of the first season? Created by ThinkBlue (talk). Self nom at 20:54, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories

• ... that although US President Barack Obama is a Christian, al-Qaida spokesman Ayman al-Zawahiri has advanced a theory that Obama secretly "pray[s] the prayers of the Jews"? Created by Stonemason89 (talk). Nominated by Stonemason89 (talk) at 18:08, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

• I'm not sure it's right to call Zawahiri a "spokesman". See Zawahiri's job description. Ericoides (talk) 14:14, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT: ... that although US President Barack Obama is a Christian, al-Qaida chief commander Ayman al-Zawahiri has advanced a theory that Obama secretly "pray[s] the prayers of the Jews"? Stonemason89 (talk) 15:54, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps we can even leave out the part that says he is a Christian from the hook. And please confirm that there are no BLP concerns with this hook. Ucucha 16:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

1968 in the Vietnam War

• ... that at 16,592 1968 in the Vietnam War saw the most Americans killed in Vietnam? created by Esemono (talk). Self Nom.

*ALT1 ... the week of February 11-17, during 1968 in the Vietnam War saw the most 543 Americans killed in action, and 2547 were wounded.

• ALT2 ... that during the week of February 11-17, 1968 in the Vietnam War American forces suffered the most casualties with 543 KIA and 2547 wounded?

• Seems odd to have a dead VC illustrating a hook about dead Americans. Ericoides (talk) 17:19, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

The hook is about the Americans but the article is about the Vietnam War i.e. there were Vietnamese people in the Vietnam war too not just Americans. -- Esemono (talk) 01:43, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• If you don't mind that, then it's OK. I was just pointing out a disjunction between text and image that bothered me. Of greater concern is that neither hook is grammatically sound. Could you please rewrite them? Ericoides (talk) 15:39, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• Ouch! Embarrassing grammar on my behalf. How about now? -- Esemono (talk) 16:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• Hmmm. Still seems a bit convoluted to me. What about something really simple like:
• ALT3... that 1968 in the Vietnam War saw the most deaths (pictured) of the entire war? Ericoides (talk) 16:31, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• Yeah makes sense that 1968 would have the most deaths total of the war but all I have a citation for is 1968 saw the most American deaths in the Vietnam war. -- Esemono (talk) 15:45, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• In your lede you say "The year also became the deadliest of the Vietnam war with the 27,915 ARVN soldiers killed and the Americans suffering 16,592 killed." You give cites for these. Should that bit be deleted then? I'm confused. Ericoides (talk) 17:29, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• I mean I don't know for sure about the North Vietnamese, and Vietcong causalities. Yes for America and its allies it was the deadliest year. -- Esemono (talk) 23:58, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Sorry, that was my stupidity. What about (assuming it's OK to have a category as a link (I'm not sure it is)):

ALT4 ... that 1968 in the Vietnam War was the deadliest year in the war for America and its Vietnamese allies? Ericoides (talk) 08:39, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Sounds fine but I like my original and ALT2 hook better -- Esemono (talk) 13:32, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough, they are ungrammatical and don't make much sense; I'll let someone else take over. Ericoides (talk) 13:37, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I think the problem is that 1968 in the Vietnam War does not really work as part of a full sentence. Can we pipe the link?

ALT5 ... that 1968 was the deadliest year in the Vietnam war for the United States and its Vietnamese allies? --Stephan Schulz (talk) 13:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT6 ... that 1968, with 16,592 killed, was the deadliest year in the Vietnam war for the United States? --Stephan Schulz (talk) 13:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 7

Anna Fitziu

• ... that American soprano Anna Fitziu borrowed the surname "Fitzhugh" at the start of her career, which came from her relative, Continental Congress delegate William Fitzhugh? Created by 4meter4 (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 03:19, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• - Article is substantially unsourced. DYK hook cited to unavailable New York Times article. -Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:45, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• Article cleaned up and sourced. -- Esemono (talk) 01:36, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that American soprano, Anna Fitziu, was the singing instructor for Shirley Verrett?

Oskélanéo, Quebec

• ... that the canoe route through Oskélanéo, Quebec, was once so popular that it prompted the construction of locks on the Oskelaneo River? 5x expanded by P199 (talk). Self nom at 19:05, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

World Junior Squash Championships

• ... that the 2010 World Junior Squash Championships will be held from July 27 until August 1, in Quito, Ecuador? Created by Arteyu (talk). Nominated by Arteyu (talk) at 13:01, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

1922 Vallenar earthquake

• ... that the magnitude 8.5 1922 Vallenar earthquake of Chile left hundreds dead and caused 1922 USD 25 million in damage? 5x expanded by Mikenorton (talk). Nominated by Ceranthor (talk) at 04:30, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• The only line that mentions deaths (and only from the tsunami) is not cited.Thelmadatter (talk) 15:27, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• I've added a cite as requested, I've not been able to find any sources that quote numbers for deaths from the earthquake rather than the tsunami - the USGS summary page is all there is. Mikenorton (talk) 22:02, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Aryabhata's sine table

• ... that Aryabhata created the first sine table? Created by Krishnachandranvn (talk). Nominated by Carabinieri (talk) at 19:15, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• Changed "first ever" to "first". cmadler (talk) 13:52, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Moorefield and North Branch Turnpike

• ... that the Moorefield and North Branch Turnpike was built to facilitate travel and commerce between the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad at Green Spring on the North Branch Potomac River and Moorefield? Created by Caponer (talk). Self nom at 22:59, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that the Moorefield and North Branch Turnpike was built to provide access to the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad and points east from the South Branch Potomac River Valley? --Caponer (talk) 23:02, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

• Is there a more unusual or interesting fact in the article? A road being built to facilitate travel doesn't strike me as very surprising.--Carabinieri (talk) 14:37, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2:... that the president of the Moorefield and North Branch Turnpike, Daniel R. McNeill, was best known for inventing the prototype of a railcar in which cattle could be comfortably shipped on the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad? --Caponer (talk) 00:01, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
• ALT3:... that renowned magazine illustrator David Hunter Strother recounted a treacherous journey on the Moorefield and North Branch Turnpike in his recollections of the American Civil War in Harper's Magazine? --Caponer (talk) 18:45, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Christopher O. Ward

• ... that Christopher O. Ward, Executive Director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, is the son of John William Ward, formerly President of Amherst College? Created by Offenbach (talk). Self nom at 18:08, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that Christopher O. Ward, Executive Director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, worked on an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico before attending Harvard Divinity School?
  -Offenbach (talk) 18:10, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

August 8-9, 1993, tornado outbreak

• ... that a tornado outbreak spawned an F0 tornado that killed 2 people on August 9, 1993? Created by Marcusmax (talk). Self nom at 16:23, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

• How about ... that the August 8-9, 1993, tornado outbreak in the American Midwest spawned the most recent single tornado to cause multiple deaths in Minnesota?--Carabinieri (talk) 14:47, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

• Thats a much better hook, im fine with it. -Marcusmax(speak) 22:56, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Filipino cartoon and animation

• ... that most cartoon animations are now Philippine-made because of the Filipinos' knowledge of Western culture and humor? Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 03:43, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

• Very dubious hook: the only reliable-sourced statement I see in refs is "about 90 percent of American television cartoons are now produced in Asia" (CNN; maybe I missed some other?); I don't see where the second part comes from (Bill Dennis quote?). Materialscientist (talk) 06:25, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I inserted a ref for the first suggested hook above: see page 7 to 8 of http://www.tholons.com/nl_pdf/150508_philippine_Animation_Industry.pdf - AnakngAraw (talk) 17:20, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

How about this hook, ALT 1: ... that most televised American cartoon animations are now developed in Asian countries such as the the Philippines? - AnakngAraw (talk) 16:44, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT 2: ... that most televised cartoon animations in the U.S. are now Philippine-made because of the Filipinos' familiarity with Western humor? - AnakngAraw (talk) 18:36, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't observe reliable support for the strong statement that most cartoons are produced in Philipines. The pdf above is hardly a reliable source. The ALT1 phrasing is too obscure, even if we replace "such as" with more appropriate "including". Materialscientist (talk) 00:18, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, I now turn to you and perhaps better from others for suggestions. Other editors other than you may have a more positive look on this issue. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:27, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

I would be happy if you first reflected in the article the split up (even approximate) in cartoon production between the Asian countries, with reliable references (well, we don't need other Asian countries, but both CNN refs you provided so far talk about Asian countries, not Philipines in particular). This would allow developing a justified hook. Materialscientist (talk) 00:37, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT 3: ... that the first Filipino-made cartoon series for television, Panday, was created by Gerry Garcia in the 1980s? - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:46, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT 4: ... that the first Filipino full-length animated film, Adarna, was created by Gerry Garcia in the late 1990s? - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:46, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Added something from the CNN ref, thus suggesting also ALT 5: that approximately 90% of televised cartoon animations in the U.S. are now made in Asia? - AnakngAraw (talk) 01:07, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

and ALT 6: ... that American animation companies are setting up more cartoon studios in the Philippines? - AnakngAraw (talk) 01:07, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

It seems as you're trying to squeeze out refs that you had whereas I thought the breakthrough should come with new references. ALT5 is not relevant (calling Philipines Asia), ALT6 is too vague. ALT 3: refs says "first animation series" - doesn't sound same as "first cartoon" (individual one). Materialscientist (talk) 08:05, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

added "series" for ALT 3. Forgot/overlooked that one. - AnakngAraw (talk) 12:39, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Clara Gregory Baer

• ... that Clara Gregory Baer's 1895 rules for women's basketball referred to the jump shot, a shot not used in men's basketball until decades later? 5x expanded by Sphilbrick (talk). Self nom at 18:37, 13 March 2010 (UTC) --SPhilbrickT 18:37, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• The prose has only been expanded 3.28x (3103/946). The quotes are not included in the count. Can you expand it some more? --Bruce1ee^talk 09:11, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• Sorry, I thought the quotes would count. I'll see if I can add something this evening.--SPhilbrickT 12:59, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Jhalkaribai

• ... that Jhalkaribai fought with the English army in disguise as Queen Laxmibai of Jhansi during the Indian Rebellion of 1857 to let the queen escape easily out of the fort? 5x expanded by Shivashree (talk). Self nom at 09:04, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

• I would like to see this article on Wikipedia Main Page on International Women's Day if possible. Shivashree (talk) 09:41, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for expansion (verified). We'll see what can we do on such short notice. Meanwhile, I have the following concerns: the article abruptly ends her life description on ".. and declared herself to be the queen Laxmibai" leaving us suspended in the most interesting moment, wondering what happened to her then? Also, when and how did she die? Some phrasing needs brushing up, though this is a more technical issue. Materialscientist (talk) 09:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I have added some information in the Life section. Shivashree (talk) 11:20, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

You've added a single sentence "Jhalkaribai lived long thereafter and died as a very old woman" which doesn't sound encyclopedic and doesn't solve the problem indicated above. Materialscientist (talk) 08:10, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

To say "the English army" (repeating the error in the article) would be misleading, as there was no English army at the time and even the British Army was not the main combatant on the "English" side. The later reference in the Jhalkaribai article to "the company army" (that is, an army of the East India Company) is sharper, but see Presidency armies. Moonraker2 (talk) 12:05, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

• • company army would be okay rather than English army.

(alt) ... that Jhalkaribai fought with the East India Company army in disguise as Queen Laxmibai of Jhansi during the Indian Rebellion of 1857 to let the queen escape easily out of the fort? Shivashree (talk) 11:33, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

I have added a paragraph to the life section about her marriage and introduction to Queen Laxmibai. However, despite a long search, I could find no sources about her later life. Whatever I could find revolves around her fight with the tiger, her resemblance with the queen, and the incident of her disguise. It is obvious given that Jhalkaribai's story had never been a part of mainstream historiography. After her only contemporary reference by Vishnubhat Godse, we could find her first reference in Varma'a Jhansi ki Rani written almost after 100 years in 1951. Most of what is written about her in the last two decades has been written viewing her importance sociopolitical aspect rather than keeping an objective historical view. Even the history textbooks describe her story as "trivia" and complete it in one or two sentences (See this). I will try to find sources directly from someone who is acquainted to the subject. The life section of the article can be considered complete till we could find some reliable sources. Shivashree (talk) 03:31, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

• Offline refs AGF for the alt hook (online ref confirms the fact, though). We can include only what reliable sources say, after all. I believe this is good enough to go, unless Materialscientist or anyone else has any objections? ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 13:22, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 6

Draft Ron Paul movement

• ... that Republican Congressman Ron Paul won the 2010 Conservative Political Action Conference straw poll, strengthening the draft Ron Paul movement? Created by GageSkidmore (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 03:29, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Thomas Wiswall

• ... that in 1656, Thomas Wiswall signed a petition that ultimately led to the founding of the city of Newton, Massachusetts? Created by DiverDave (talk). Self nom at 05:02, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

List of Rhodesian and Zimbabwean football champions

• ... that the Harare-based Zimbabwean football club Dynamos have won their national league a record 18 times? Created by Cliftonian (talk). Nominated by Cliftonian (talk) at 16:08, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

• Verified article creation and length. This statement needs to be supported by an inline citation. There is currently a debate over whether the citation can appear in a list/table/chart or whether it must appear in prose; however, in this article no citation is given that I can find. cmadler (talk) 13:42, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Citation is given in the general references at the bottom of the page. I'll add some clarification on the matter. - Cliftonian^{the orangey bit} 16:21, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Holly Graf

• ... that Navy Captain Holly Graf was relieved of command for creating an environment of fear on her ship but that she admits swearing to "intentionally pressurize the situation"? Created by Ipromise (talk). Self nom at 04:12, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

• 1st Alt: ... that US Navy Captain Holly Graf commanded USS Winston S. Churchill and later USS Cowpens before being relieved of her command on January 13, 2010? Moonraker2 (talk) 15:48, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
• This has several issues: 1) bare URLs need to be replaced with formatted citations. I personally recommend {{cite}} or {{cite web}} as they are quite easy. 2) I'm concerned about this article from a WP:BLP perspective. Given that she's recieved numerous awards, and had 25 years of military service before being relieved of command (23 years of service before even becoming a commanding officer), I'm concerned that this article (and both proposed hooks) focus excessively on the recent negative events. (DYK rule 4 states, "Articles and hooks which focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided.") Because of this issue, the article will need quite a bit of work to become DYK-eligible. cmadler (talk) 13:33, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Muriel Dickson

• ... that when Scottish soprano Muriel Dickson toured with the D'Oyly Carte Opera Company to New York City in 1934-1935, she was invited to join the Metropolitan Opera? Created by 4meter4 (talk), Ssilvers (talk). Nominated by Ssilvers (talk) at 19:18, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

A Puro Dolor

• ... that the number-one single "A Puro Dolor", performed by Son By Four, was written by Omar Alfanno in ten minutes? 5x expanded by Jaespinoza (talk) 10:18, 6 March 2010 (UTC). Self nom at 10:10, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

• • ATL1:... that the song "A Puro Dolor" performed by Son By Four is the best-performing Latin single from the 2000s in the United States?

Notes: The article was re-directed by PeaceNT to the Son By Four article. "A Puro Dolor" was created by Magiciandude under the title "Purest of Pain", which I re-directed to it's current title "A Puro Dolor" .Jaespinoza (talk) 10:18, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 5

Ladd & Co.

• ... that King Leopold (pictured) signed a contract with Ladd & Co. for Belgian colonization of the Kingdom of Hawaii in 1843?

• ALT1:=... that Ladd & Co. was behind the first commercial sugar plantation in Hawaii and failed international land deal?
• Comment: moved from user space March 5; picture optional of course since article is not about him but the company and its American founders

Created by W Nowicki (talk). Nominated by W Nowicki (talk) at 19:29, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

• verified. -innotata (Talk - Contribs) 16:42, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

A Portrait of the Artist as Filipino

• ... that Nick Joaquin's play, A Portrait of the Artist as Filipino, was described in The New York Times as an "engaging, well plotted metaphor for the passing of Old Manila"? 5x expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 03:59, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

• Verified article length, expansion, and hook fact, however, this article is classified as a stub. Also, although the hook fact comes from the New York Times, I am uncertain about the reliability of other sources used, and I'd like a second reviewer to take a look at that aspect. cmadler (talk) 13:16, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• It was stub-class before the 5x expansion that I did. It just needs to be reclassified. - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:07, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Biggest Elvis: A Novel

• ... that P. F. Kluge's first novel, Biggest Elvis, is about three American Elvis Presley impersonators living in the Philippines? Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 00:40, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

• Unsure about about notability here. Most of the references seem to be snippets (for instance, the NPR one is a single sentence, and the NYT one that's cited 6 times is little more than a plot summary, and the one from the Kenyon College alumni bulletin is little more than a passing mention) or Amazon/B&N listings. This caught my eye because I've taken a class with Kluge before, and I always approach articles relating to people I know with an extra degree of skepticism... rʨanaÉ¢ ^talk/_contribs 05:13, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Added these. See Pretenders to the King's Throne, and What happened on August 04, 1996 Los Angeles Times. - AnakngAraw (talk) 16:38, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

The Man (Who Thought) He Looked Like Robert Taylor

• ... that Bienvenido Santos's novel, The Man (Who Thought) He Looked Like Robert Taylor, narrates the experiences of Filipino migrants in the United States? Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 00:40, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

• I think it's pretty clear from the article that this is what the novel is about but can you put a sentence that corresponds directly to the hook in the article (presumably in the lede) and source it? radek (talk) 04:00, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

The hook is based on reference number 2 (at the very end of that ref site); I quoted that already as seen in article ref section. - AnakngAraw (talk) 08:50, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Fixed placement of ref mark too to show which belongs to what sentence. - AnakngAraw (talk) 09:02, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

The reference appears to be a newsgroup FAQ. I'm not sure that qualifies as a reliable source. Is there anything in the Ty source that good be used to source it?radek (talk) 09:14, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

This source might work [2] though I'm not 100% sure it's RS either.radek (talk) 09:23, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Or even better this [3], which is clearly a reliable source. Can you incorporate it into the article?radek (talk) 09:26, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Refs suggested works out. Thanks. Incorporated done also as requested. - AnakngAraw (talk) 09:59, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

, good to go.radek (talk) 10:03, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

The article is based on references which IMO clearly fail WP:RS criteria. Materialscientist (talk) 11:05, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I think the Ty source in the article is reliable but a lot of the inline citations are to stuff that may not be. I would suggest replacing as much of the lesson plan and usenet sources with Ty (which is actually available online here [4]) and the source I gave above. The introduction to Santos' own works, since its written by a someone else can also be used [5]. Or this one [6].radek (talk) 11:38, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Dinopanorpidae, Dinokanaga, and Dinokanaga

• ... that fossil specimens of the extinct scorpionfly family Dinopanorpidae, which includes Dinopanorpa and Dinokanaga, sometimes have preserved dark with light to clear color patterning? Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nom at 08:26, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

• tweak to be a double nomination for both Dinopanorpidae and Dinopanorpa.--Kevmin (talk) 22:14, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Tweak again into triple nomination for the family and both genera in the family.--Kevmin (talk) 19:17, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

• These meet the eligibility requirements, but Dinokanaga needs some copy editing first. I left one comment on the Dinopanorpa talk page that should be addressed. Millifolium (talk) 08:27, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Commented on the Dinopanorpa talkpage, Dinokanaga page wordsmithed.--Kevmin (talk) 23:48, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Pinki Pramanik

• ... that Asian Games gold medallist Pinki Pramanik fell victim to a group of youths who attempted to frame her for possession of a firearm? Created by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Self nom at 07:32, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

• "A group of youths" doubtless intended.--Wetman (talk) 20:25, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

• Obviously... :) Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)^{Join WikiProject Athletics!} 03:50, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Isn't there something more positive, maybe regarding her achievements? I don't really think we should be talking about how she was harassed on the main page. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 10:27, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 4

Coenurosis

• ... that some species of tapeworms do not cause tapeworm infections in humans, but their eggs cause the rare disease coenurosis?

• Comment: I'm still cleaning up the references in this apparent first article by a rookie wikipedian. I might continue on Thursday or Friday. Please feel free to beat me to this. :-) --PFHLai (talk) 22:33, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Created by Kbechelli (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 22:33, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

• Article needs some cleaning up. For example, the "Morphology" section says "The following are pictures of coenurosis cysts, some which have been surgically removed from humans and others that have been removed from animals after death", but the article contains no pictures (this makes me wonder if the article was copied from another source?). Also, the body of the article needs to be wikified. cmadler (talk) 18:27, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Chromatin immunoprecipitation

• ... that DNA-protein interactions inside cells can be studied using the molecular technique chromatin immunoprecipitation?

• Comment: Chromatin immunoprecipitation became a redirect to Immunoprecipitation in 2008. Shengliu started the article Chromatin Immunoprecipitation, apparently a first article by a rookie wikipedian, on March 4th. I merged the two histories together a few days ago, and am still in the process of cleaning up the merged article. I might continue on Thursday or Friday. Please feel free to beat me to this. :-) --PFHLai (talk) 23:55, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Created by Shengliu (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 23:55, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

• I'll see if I can make a double-DYK hook with ChIA-PET, which moved out of User:Arolland's userspace on March 4, 2010. I'll try not to make it too technical. --PFHLai (talk) 23:02, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Lion class battlecruiser

• ... that the British battlecruiser HMS Lion fired seven torpedoes, four at the German battleships, two at the battlecruiser Derfflinger and one at the light cruiser Wiesbaden during the Battle of Jutland without success? 5x expanded by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Nominated by Sturmvogel 66 (talk) at 23:38, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

• Hook's at 215. Not sure how to shorten it, except use something generic like "ships" to cover the targets, removing most of interesting aspects of the hook. Everything else checks out though.radek (talk) 04:18, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Best I can come up with now is "that the British battlecruiser HMS Lion fired seven torpedoes at the German battleships, the battlecruiser Derfflinger and the light cruiser Wiesbaden, during the Battle of Jutland without success".radek (talk) 04:26, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT - ... that HMS Lion, lead ship of her class, was saved from a catastrophic explosion in the Battle of Jutland only by the actions of Major Francis Harvey? -Ed (talk - majestic titan) 05:59, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Mayor of Manukau

• ... that the current Mayor of Manukau is also its last one, as the Manukau City Council area is going to be incorporated into the Auckland super city?

• Comment: Moved into mainspace on 4 March.

Created by Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 11:05, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 3

Rudy La Scala

• ... that singer-songwriter Rudy La Scala began his musical career with a band named Las Explosiones de Goma? Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 23:00, 3 March 2010 (UTC). Self nom at 22:59, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT1: that singer-songwriter Rudy La Scala had the best-performing Latin single of 1990 in the United States?

• This article is based primarily on the subject's own website.--Carabinieri (talk) 04:05, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

That is the reason I did the ALT version of the hook. The ALT is based in the Billboard Year-end charts of 1990.Jaespinoza (talk) 06:37, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm not concerned about the reliability of the hook, but about the article not satisfying DYK standards, because it's not based on third-party sources.--Carabinieri (talk) 18:23, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

This article has been really hard to do. I didn't find any source about the singer-songwriter (Billboard, Allmusic, Google Books). The main reason to do the article is that he had two number-one songs in the Top Latin Songs chart, and I want to take that list to FL status. Any sugestions?. Jaespinoza (talk) 20:23, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

William Milman

• ... that Rev. William Milman who was a rowing champion and president of the Union at Oxford University wanted to wear the Mark of the Beast? Created by Motmit (talk). Self nom at 21:32, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

• Though this is an eye-catching hook it seems misleading from the article and the reference. --Mcorazao (talk) 23:29, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

  I don't see evidence for Milman wanted to wear that. Materialscientist (talk) 03:45, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

If he went into a shop to order an MB waistcoat, then presumably he wanted to wear it. Seems he was an interesting person for all sorts of reasons which is why I put him forward. I'm not concerned about what happens to any nominations once I've submitted them, so over to you. The last eye-catching hook I did got 8600 hits - the generally boring straightforward ones have averaged about 600. Motmit (talk) 12:00, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Sure, but I would go for an eye catching fact, "presumably he wanted to wear it" is guessing. Materialscientist (talk) 09:58, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

History of vice in Texas

• ... that when law enforcement officials cracked down on vice in Texas during the 1940s and 1950s, some of Texas' most notorious crime figures moved to Las Vegas to help establish major casinos such as the Sands Hotel? Created by Mcorazao (talk). Self nom at 20:34, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that when officials cracked down on vice in Texas during the 1940s and 1950s, some of Texas' most notorious crime figures helped establish major casinos in Las Vegas, including the Sands Hotel? --Mcorazao (talk) 22:43, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

• I've been trying to verify the hook, but without success. From online sources cited in the article, I can verify that two Texans who were involved in gambling ended up in Las Vegas (Jake/Jakie Freedman was an owner of the Sands, although in one place is described as its front man[7][8] and casino owner Benny Binion was a "Texas outlaw" who was proud of his police record and served time in Texas prison after establishing a Las Vegas casino[9] [10]). (Some other sources aren't available online.) However, I can't find an indication -- in either the article or the sources -- that these were "some of Texas' most notorious crime figures" or that they moved to Las Vegas after a crackdown on vice in Texas. I like the hook, but I'm wondering if we need alternate wording or a different hook altogether. --Orlady (talk) 03:01, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I added a couple more citations to help. Here are some quotes that talk a little about the crackdowns.

• "There was a crackdown on Texas gambling after the war. There had been twenty-seven casinos in the Dallas area during the war." -Thompson (2001), p. 21.[11]
• "... Wilson won the position of attorney general in 1956. Wilson looked upon gambling in Galveston as the symbol of vice in Texas ... Wilson ... swooped onto the island in June 1957 and closed forty-seven clubs ..." - McComb (2008), p. 33.
• "the state watched a 1951 grand jury investigation [in fort Worth] ... The jury indicted more than 16 gamblers ... Eventually ... gamblers found it easier to go to Las Vegas where gambling was legal ..." - McComb (2008), p. 33-34.

Some stuff about Binion:

• Gatewood, Jim (2002). Benny Binion: The legend of Benny Binion, Dallas gambler and mob boss.
• "Benny ... opened a casino game at the Southland Hotel, and ... established a leadership role in the Dallas numbers game.
  ... some felt they could stay [in Dallas] and try to it ride out [the crackdowns] ... Binion did not. He packed up his family in 1946 and went to Las Vegas." - Thompson (2001), p. 21.[12]

On the Maceos

• "Galveston, under the influence of Sam and Rosario (Rose) Maceo, exploited the prohibition of liquor and gambling by offering illegal drinks and betting in nightclubs and saloons. -Handbook of Texas: Galveston, TX[13]
• "Rosario "Rose" and Sam Maceo surfaced as the underworld leaders in Galveston." - McComb (2008), p. 33.
• "...total income from Maceo operations was $3,329,000 in 1948, $3,433,000 in 1949, and $3,835,000 in 1950." - McComb (1986), p. 185.[14]

On Freedman

• "By the 1930s, Jakie Freedman's was the place for the young to go in the spirit of adventure. ... This was a very handsome, very expensive, and very illegal gambling casino." - Johnston (1991), p. 323[15]
• "The prince of Houston's gambling is Little Jakie Freedman, ..." - Fuermann, George (1951), p. 166.
• "Jakie Freedman ... owned a large piece of The Sands in Las Vegas." - Miami News (1958)[16]
• "Gala Sands Opening Tonight Greeting the thousands of well-wishers, principal owner Jake Freedman ..." - Las Vegas Sun (1952)[17]

Anyway, I can go on. I think you should focus on the ALT version, BTW. I took out the "moved to Las Vegas" since that could be interpreted as actually setting up residence in Vegas which was not true of the Maceos. As far as "some of Texas' most notorious" unfortunately there is no simple list of Texas top crime figures of that era that I know of. But I believe their notoriety and significance in Texas' vice is more than established.

Please let me know what more you need.

Thanks.

--Mcorazao (talk) 15:51, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Interesting reading! I haven't had the time to do a thorough review yet. However, while you've convinced me that there were vice crackdowns in Texas, and some of the most notorious gambling and prostitution operators moved their operations from Texas to Las Vegas, that's not enough to support the DYK hook. The hook needs to be supported by the content of the article, and the article content needs to be supported by the sources cited in the article. Are the sources that you cite above also used in the article? --Orlady (talk) 19:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• Yes, though not all in one place. --Mcorazao (talk) 22:29, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2 that in the 19th century there were many areas of vice in Texas; Galveston had the Postoffice Street district, San Antonio had the "Sporting District" and Fort Worth had "Hell's Half Acre"? -- Esemono (talk) 14:45, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Though certainly anything that will get this through DYK is ok, my personal opinion is that a statement like this doesn't say much. Cities all over the U.S. (and the world) have had vice districts like these so that is nothing particularly unique. The fact that Texas organized crime figures had important roles in founding major venues on the Vegas strip, to me, is more interesting and more unique. But again, if this is what it takes to get through DYK I'm ok with it. --Mcorazao (talk) 16:12, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I am confident that this article can go to DYK with a really interesting hook. (There's been a lot of interesting vice in Texas!) It's just that reviewing it requires a lot of uninterrupted attention. --Orlady (talk) 19:36, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 28

Tiger Raj Singh

• ... that professional wrestler Tiger Raj Singh had a try-out match for World Wrestling Entertainment in December 2009 and was signed to a developmental contract? Created by Nikki311 (talk). Nominated by Nikki311 (talk) at 02:50, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm always still against "Here is a fact about somebody/aProduct in the news lately we want to promote" - this being a prime example. It would need a hook, not just a fact, to make it interesting enough for people to click through and read. Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 00:20, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

• In addition to the point made by Sherurcij, the article is only 1141 characters and is marked as stub-class. Also, I'm dubious that he meets WP:N. cmadler (talk) 21:23, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

• If you resolve the Nobility issue the article is now 1500+ characters -- Esemono (talk) 12:08, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• I've nominated the article for deletion. cmadler (talk) 15:07, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

The AFD seems to be leaning to "keep", but I copyedited the article and it is now under 1500 b. Ucucha 13:56, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• Article has now been expanded to above 1500+ characters even discounting the quote. -- Esemono (talk) 14:43, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• Good to go when the AfD's handled. It'd have to be closed early, as in today though. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 04:10, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• Is it possible to get it rushed? -- Esemono (talk) 03:46, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Special occasion holding area

Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' - see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.

Articles created/expanded for March 21

Gí¤chinger Kantorei

• ... that Helmuth Rilling conducted the Gí¤chinger Kantorei and Bach-Collegium Stuttgart in the first recording of Bach's complete cantatas and oratorios? Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 14:43, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that conductor Helmuth Rilling, Gí¤chinger Kantorei and Bach-Collegium Stuttgart completed the recording of Bach's cantatas and oratorios on the composer's 300th birthday, 21 March 1985?

suggesting to post it on the composer's 325th birthday, still celebrated ("Old Style Date") 21 March. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:57, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

• / The first is for Gí¤chinger Kantorei which appears to check out on references, dates, and length but has a few paragraphs with no references at all. The second is for Bach-Collegium Stuttgart, a stub of just 1099 characters of prose. - Dravecky (talk) 23:38, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• I added a few references to Gí¤chinger Kantorei. Please be specific as to what else should be referenced. Requiem of Reconciliation or Die beiden Neffen - I thought the respective articles are reference enough. I could list many more festivals according to the Oregon reference. I might also refer to reviews such as [18], quote: "Helmut Rilling's Bach still has not received the acclaim it surely deserves, particularly from the critical community in English-speaking countries. The reasons are not hard to fathom: he hasn't toured or conducted frequently outside of Germany (aside from the Oregon Bach Festival, one of America's best kept musical secrets), and his work competes directly with the many authentic instrument groups in the U.K. and France, and so faces an uphill battle against some pretty entrenched musical interests. But there's no question in my mind that he is one of our great Bach conductors, and this new recording of the B minor Mass bears this out." As to Bach-Collegium: I would have preferred to treat the two ensembles in one article, as Amsterdam Baroque Orchestra & Choir, but the (many) red links had them separate. Should I really repeat more of the choir information in the orchestra article. (I don't like redundancy.) Thanks for your interest! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:22, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Gerda, I'm glad to see you still here and improving our English-language coverage of German music(ians)! If you think the Bach-Collegium Stuttgart would be best addressed within the Gí¤chinger Kantorei article (which makes sense, given the close relationship), merge it in as a section of its own, and then make Bach-Collegium Stuttgart a redirect to that section. That way the links will point to the correct portion of the article. If you want to go this route and need help, drop me a line on my talk page. Thanks, cmadler (talk) 15:30, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks for this sensible suggestion. I looked at it but found it tricky to include the orchestra as a separate entity into the Kantorei (btw: any good English term for that kind of a choir?) because even after the orchestra was founded the Kantorei did many programs with other orchestras. Therefore I suggest

• ALT2: ... that conductor Helmuth Rilling, Gí¤chinger Kantorei and Bach-Collegium Stuttgart finished the first complete recording of Bach's cantatas and oratorios on the composer's 300th birthday, 21 March 1985? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:01, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Sorry, I don't know a simple English term for that. The best I could do would be to call it a "professional mixed choir primarily performing sacred music" -- a description, not a term. cmadler (talk) 16:34, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Hoping not to disappoint you: it does not mean professional. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:13, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Semi-professional? (Meaning, either paid, but at a low level, probably not the participants' primary job, or sometimes meaning unpaid but consisting of members who are mostly professionals in that field, such as an orchestra made up of university instructors.) cmadler (talk) 18:43, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Yes, sort of. See (new) ref 5, all quote: "They're very musical. ... They have a distinct sound - that is, less vibrato than you have in other choirs. Their dexterity, their musicianship, their sensitivity is first-rate. Having worked with Rilling over many, many years, they have an expressiveness and an understanding of interpretation, particularity of Bach repertory, that really is wonderful." - Saltzman's not the only one singing the choir's praises. It's abilities are readily apparent to anyone - especially to critics - who has listened to Rilling's recordings. Together with their orchestral partner, the Bach Collegium, they have recorded all of Bach's cantatas and passions - some 200 in all - on CD. ... They have also sung many world and European first performances including "Litany" by Arvo Part, and "Requiem Versohnung" and "Deus Passus" by Wolfgang Rihm. ... Yet, for all its visibility - the choir sings 60 to 70 concerts a year - Rilling points out it "is not a professional chorus in the way that they would make their living from that. They are getting paid expenses and hotels and so on, but they are not really paid people. It is a challenge for them to be in that chorus." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

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ALT2, suggest holding this for March 21 anniversary. Struck through other hook proposals so they aren't accidentally selected. Added "first complete" to ALT2, as that's the really remarkable part. cmadler (talk) 14:30, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• Moved to holding area for 3/21. cmadler (talk) 14:37, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Gloria in excelsis Deo, BWV 191

• ... that Johann Sebastian Bach wrote an X for "Christ", similar to Xmas, in the title of his cantata for Christmas Gloria in excelsis Deo, BWV 191? Created by Gerda Arendt (talk), Eusebeus (talk). Self nom at 20:18, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

• Umm, that is extremely common and extends back to the earliest period of Christianity. --Eusebeus (talk) 22:58, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

• The fact about the early Christians having used that symbol is true, but to mention it also in the hook would make it too long, right? Also it is not part of this article, the first one about a Bach cantata with the new format for the article name, adding the number to the German (or, as in this one and only case, Latin) title. - I doubt, by the way, that the hook fact is so commonly known. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:08, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that Gloria in excelsis Deo, BWV 191 is a sacred cantata written by Johann Sebastian Bach, and the only one of his church cantatas to be set to a Latin text?

But You'd have to cit this fact in the main article. -- Esemono (talk) 11:54, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• We could use this [19] stating that there is A Latin cantata "... no surprise that there is a generous collection of Latin church music in the Bach treasury, including two versions of the Magnificat, four Lutheran Masses (five if you include the Missa* BWV 232), a Latin texted Cantata (BWV 191) and for many the ultimate Bach work, his Mass in B minor ..." - but I personally don't like the wording that Bach "shamelessly" reworked, in there. Or this [20] (click on "full text") - but that's liner notes which my esteemed co-writer doesn't approve ... - Or you just look at the complete list and see the one Latin among all the Germans and two Italian ones (203 & 209). Proposing therefore (also because "cantata" is a rather poor article I would not like to link to, - a more specific "Bach cantata" in preparation):
• ALT2 ... that Gloria in excelsis Deo, BWV 191, a sacred cantata of Johann Sebastian Bach, is the only one of his cantatas set to a Latin text? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:34, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I also found one more, and this review states it also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:54, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Thinking further: "sacred", "Latin" - quite heavy stuff for main page, and redundant, - assuming that many people might know that "Gloria in excelsis Deo" is both. Also it's not so interesting that Bach wrote only this one cantata in Latin (reworking what he had written in Latin before), but surprising that he wrote one in Latin at all. So I suggest to return to the original hook or perhaps

• ALT3 ... that Johann Sebastian Bach wrote around 200 cantatas in German, two in Italian and one in Latin, Gloria in excelsis Deo, BWV 191? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:01, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT4: ... that Johann Sebastian Bach wrote around 200 cantatas in German but only one, Gloria in excelsis Deo, BWV 191, in Latin? (maybe punchier) - Dravecky (talk) 09:10, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• Length and article creation are fine, and ALT4 is a good hook, except that I can't find that fact cited (or even explicitly stated) in the article. Please add it in, with a citation, and this will be ready to go. cmadler (talk) 13:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• I added a sentence and a citation for the "only Latin" (mentioned here before, the liner notes). "200 sacred cantatas" is such a trivia knowledge (s. [21] or compare Johann Sebastian Bach#Works, Vocal and choral works) that I hopefully don't have to cite that also, right? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:22, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• Approve, and move to holding area for 3/21 (JS Bach's 325th birthday). cmadler (talk) 16:06, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• Struck out earlier proposed hooks, ALT4 should be used. cmadler (talk) 16:08, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

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